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    Drug and insurance companies band together to stop single payer

    Powerful health-care interests worried that a Democratic “blue wave” could give new energy to single-payer health-care legislation have created a new group to take on the issue.

    The formation of the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future is a sign of the health-care industry’s alarm over growing support for a single payer health-care law within the Democratic Party. Health insurance and drug companies, who are often at odds on policy issues, banded together to form the group, which lobbyists say could run advertisements against single-payer plans and promote studies to undermine the idea.

    Industry groups are worried that support for single-payer is quickly becoming the default position among Democrats, and they want to push back and strengthen ties to more centrist members of the party to promote alternatives.

    The industry source said insurers are more focused on the 2020 race than the midterms and hope to use the new group to “splinter off the moderates” to oppose single-payer.

    The health-care industry largely opposes single-payer because it would mean massive upheaval in the system and likely large financial losses for their companies. Private health insurers could be completely wiped out, or at least reduced to a much smaller role. Pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and doctors would likely be paid less under a government-run health insurance system.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-defense
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Powerful health-care interests worried that a Democratic “blue wave” could give new energy to single-payer health-care legislation have created a new group to take on the issue.

    The formation of the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future is a sign of the health-care industry’s alarm over growing support for a single payer health-care law within the Democratic Party. Health insurance and drug companies, who are often at odds on policy issues, banded together to form the group, which lobbyists say could run advertisements against single-payer plans and promote studies to undermine the idea.

    Industry groups are worried that support for single-payer is quickly becoming the default position among Democrats, and they want to push back and strengthen ties to more centrist members of the party to promote alternatives.

    The industry source said insurers are more focused on the 2020 race than the midterms and hope to use the new group to “splinter off the moderates” to oppose single-payer.

    The health-care industry largely opposes single-payer because it would mean massive upheaval in the system and likely large financial losses for their companies. Private health insurers could be completely wiped out, or at least reduced to a much smaller role. Pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and doctors would likely be paid less under a government-run health insurance system.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-defense
    Of course they do. They fought the ACA tooth and nail. After it passed they buckled down, adjusted. Sent out leters after 3 years said they would be giving out new benefits. They have every year. Dental, Vision,and even Hearing Aids for those who need them. This came after Elizabeth Warreb and Charles Grassley passed legislation for OTC. Places like COSTCO hired Audiologists, give free service and their aids cost one quarter of what others were charging. This panicked the Audiologists who have gouged older people for years. They are still doing it. Taking the Insurance money, then charging the same amount above.

    I have been talking to people,young and old about this very subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Of course they do. They fought the ACA tooth and nail. After it passed they buckled down, adjusted. Sent out leters after 3 years said they would be giving out new benefits. They have every year. Dental, Vision,and even Hearing Aids for those who need them. This came after Elizabeth Warreb and Charles Grassley passed legislation for OTC. Places like COSTCO hired Audiologists, give free service and their aids cost one quarter of what others were charging. This panicked the Audiologists who have gouged older people for years. They are still doing it. Taking the Insurance money, then charging the same amount above.

    I have been talking to people,young and old about this very subject.
    Whats concerning is a lot of our politicians are old and nearing retirement. These lobbyists could make them a very good offer to go work for them afterwards in exchange for voting against single payer. It could work, it worked before with Grassley, Baucus and Lieberman. Only need a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Powerful health-care interests worried that a Democratic “blue wave” could give new energy to single-payer health-care legislation have created a new group to take on the issue.

    The formation of the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future is a sign of the health-care industry’s alarm over growing support for a single payer health-care law within the Democratic Party. Health insurance and drug companies, who are often at odds on policy issues, banded together to form the group, which lobbyists say could run advertisements against single-payer plans and promote studies to undermine the idea.

    Industry groups are worried that support for single-payer is quickly becoming the default position among Democrats, and they want to push back and strengthen ties to more centrist members of the party to promote alternatives.

    The industry source said insurers are more focused on the 2020 race than the midterms and hope to use the new group to “splinter off the moderates” to oppose single-payer.

    The health-care industry largely opposes single-payer because it would mean massive upheaval in the system and likely large financial losses for their companies. Private health insurers could be completely wiped out, or at least reduced to a much smaller role. Pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and doctors would likely be paid less under a government-run health insurance system.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-defense
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    Seen from abroad it is very puzzling when you look at what globally is spent in the USA for healthcare which is much more per capita than in mpstother developped countries even the ones which enjoy higher per capita Gross National Product GDP. Furthermore in most developped countries everyone there is a universal healthcare system and everyone is covered and they spend less per capita for health than in the USA., life expectancy is longer. So what are the flaws of the US health system being more expensive and less performing globally ? And why there is so little will to try to fix it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Of course they do. They fought the ACA tooth and nail. After it passed they buckled down, adjusted. Sent out leters after 3 years said they would be giving out new benefits. They have every year. Dental, Vision,and even Hearing Aids for those who need them. This came after Elizabeth Warreb and Charles Grassley passed legislation for OTC. Places like COSTCO hired Audiologists, give free service and their aids cost one quarter of what others were charging. This panicked the Audiologists who have gouged older people for years. They are still doing it. Taking the Insurance money, then charging the same amount above.

    I have been talking to people,young and old about this very subject.
    Medical devices are riddled with every kind of abuse, at every level, but you are correct.

    The worst, by scale and time, is the hearing devices industry. At every level, except possibly FDA approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    Seen from abroad it is very puzzling when you look at what globally is spent in the USA for healthcare which is much more per capita than in mpstother developped countries even the ones which enjoy higher per capita Gross National Product GDP. Furthermore in most developped countries everyone there is a universal healthcare system and everyone is covered and they spend less per capita for health than in the USA., life expectancy is longer. So what are the flaws of the US health system being more expensive and less performing globally ? And why there is so little will to try to fix it ?
    I think its a combination of things. Fear of the unknown, a feeling that "we need to keep the status quo," and even a sort of "we broke away from Europe to be different, not the same." It all varies on who you talk to. Plus I think some of the biggest impediments are that the poor have Medicaid and the seniors have Medicare which is something similar to UHC. They fear something new for everyone will hurt what they have. Whenever UHC is brought up, the elderly seem to be the most critical and at election times tend to support the candidates that are against it. Its problematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If your policies are vigorously opposed by psychopaths, you are most likely doing the right thing.
    I have family members that work for big pharma and their companies are trying to squeeze every dime they can. They will import non tested garbage if they could get away with it. Quite honestly, I wouldnt put it past them to import a tainted component and then after many fall ill and die, claim its "because we are trying to make drugs affordable and see what happens.."
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    I have an idea Grassley wears one. The reason he signed on to the bill.

    But so many elderly and desparate young people wear Hearing Aids now.

    I was on the AARP site. They were discussing the Hearing Aid Industry. One man checked into how much he could make one for. Cost him $250. The $6000 involves $2000 for the Audiologist fancy offices. The major share goes to the company.

    The couple that went to Costco, bought 2 for $1500 were young Professionals. They go to Belize every year to offer Lasic surgery free. They have to fight the Government, then the ignorance of backward people to help them. You would never know she had a severe hearing loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Drug and insurance companies band together to stop single payer

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-defense
    Ofcourse the pharma and insurance corporations fight single payer.. Americans are their cash cows.
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