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    dirtyp

    The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    As we approach the celebration of Christ’s birth, I am reminded of the words of John Quincy Adams. On July 4, 1837, he spoke these words:

    “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day? … Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth. That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity, and gave to the world the first irrevocable pledge of the fulfillment of the prophecies announced directly from Heaven at the birth of the Savior and predicted by the greatest of the Hebrew prophets six hundred years before?”

    Adams was exactly right: America’s birth is directly linked to the birth of our Savior. In fact, the United States of America is the only nation established by Christian people, upon Biblical principles, and dedicated to the purpose of religious liberty. This truth is easily observed within America’s earliest history.

    America’s forebears first established a written covenant with God as early as November 11, 1620, when they penned The Mayflower Compact. It states in part:

    “In the name of God, Amen. … Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.”
    THE BIRTH OF CHRIST & THE BIRTH OF AMERICA ARE LINKED | RETROGRESSING

  2. #2
    Leo

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    Yes of course it is - oh, and BTW, did I mention that, beside being an inconsequential British high school student, I am also the Messiah? It's just that I happen to be an atheist, so I don't make too much of my divinity.

    But feel free to send gold (not fussed about the frankincense and myrrh,) any time you feel particularly devotional. :whistling:

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    Bourne

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    You do realize that Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. That being the case, and given your assertion that America was founded upon Christian principles, I fail to see any sort of a close relationship between the two events.

    Oh, and I noticed that you posted this OP today, December 28, and stated that we are approaching Christ's birthday. We are not approaching Christ's birthday. We celebrated that 3 days ago.

  4. #4
    monty

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    You do realize that Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. That being the case, and given your assertion that America was founded upon Christian principles, I fail to see any sort of a close relationship between the two events.

    Oh, and I noticed that you posted this OP today, December 28, and stated that we are approaching Christ's birthday. We are not approaching Christ's birthday. We celebrated that 3 days ago.
    You're confused. If christ even existed he was no more than a mortal man and his birthday is judged to be some time around June.

    My money's on the whole idea being a phoney concoction.

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    Bowerbird

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    Dunno the title of this thread reminded me of the old joke

    Why wasn't Jesus born in America?

    They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

    Sorry everyone!! To be honest I have heard that joke about every country on earth!!!

  6. #6
    put_in_bay

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyp View Post

    Adams was exactly right: America’s birth is directly linked to the birth of our Savior. In fact, the United States of America is the only nation established by Christian people, upon Biblical principles, and dedicated to the purpose of religious liberty. This truth is easily observed within America’s earliest history.
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    And thank God we have moved on! Democracy, checks and balances, the rule of law have nothing to do with biblical principles, but slavery, hate and Indian slaughtering were all santuioned by the bible

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    Formative Years

    Re: The birth of christ & the birth of america are linked

    Founded on Biblical principles, and yet not one word about God in the constitution. Weird.

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