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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    They are politicians. They will try to time the debate to maximize whatever benefit they see in making the argument. But I do agree with you that the amendment proposed in the senate was over-reaching.
    Okay, but once they've had their show, why not propose something Dems would have a hard time turning down? Particularly if the position (as you pointed out) is a popular one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Okay, but once they've had their show, why not propose something Dems would have a hard time turning down? Particularly if the position (as you pointed out) is a popular one?
    I think I already answered this. They will read the tea leaves, pretend the entire Democrat party is a bunch of fire breathing zealot extremists, probably over-reach and propose something at the last minute they think will get them the biggest advantage. The same kind of puppet show the Dems will be doing.

    Hey, I am backing the moderate. We have to get past the silliness eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    I think I already answered this. They will read the tea leaves, pretend the entire Democrat party is a bunch of fire breathing zealot extremists, probably over-reach and propose something at the last minute they think will get them the biggest advantage. The same kind of puppet show the Dems will be doing.

    Hey, I am backing the moderate. We have to get past the silliness eventually.
    The "silliness" being partisanship and political gamesmanship substituting for honest and reasoned debate on the issues that confront the country. Absolutely. The silliness has paralyzed the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    I think I already answered this. They will read the tea leaves, pretend the entire Democrat party is a bunch of fire breathing zealot extremists, probably over-reach and propose something at the last minute they think will get them the biggest advantage. The same kind of puppet show the Dems will be doing.

    Hey, I am backing the moderate. We have to get past the silliness eventually.
    This is how our elected officials deal with things, but you want all responsibility for every aspect of government to be directly in their hands, never delegated to 'regulators' who are long-time civil servants, protected from the implications of the political process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    This is how our elected officials deal with things, but you want all responsibility for every aspect of government to be directly in their hands, never delegated to 'regulators' who are long-time civil servants, protected from the implications of the political process?
    Well, I know how I would design it but it's too hard for most Washington pinheads because they don't like a solid process. They want to ram through as much stuff as they can as quickly as they can and lie to the people as they go. So what we have is what we are going through now, which is a huge argument FOR states trying it first and a huge argument for social programs not being done at a federal level. So if you are going to do a federal social program, you under promise and over deliver. You keep it simple. You stay out of people's control of their own entities. For example, a major medical health insurance program with a large deductible. This is actual INSURANCE, insuring people against financial disaster rather than trying to buy votes with over promising and under delivering.

    Obamacare’s costs: The hits just keep on coming | Kyle Wingfield

    "President Obama’s national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law."

    Gee, I wonder how much free contraceptives added to that. Well, since we have an idiotic system in place that let's the regulators decide after it's signed into law, this was not hard to predict.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Boy that cartoon sure misses the point. Planned parenthood gives out free condoms. You can buy contraceptives everywhere, so how is someone being denied something. The folks who are being abused are the folks who have had an established doctrine against contraception for at least 50 years. Making them put the government's words in their mouths and facilitate something they don't believe in is a constitutional violation of conscience.
    Nobody is forcing them to use them. All just Republican rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    You guys lost this argument with corporation's speech through campaign contributions. Think it will be different this time?
    Why not? Two points:

    1. The constitution speaks to preserving individual rights with regards to religion. What you continue to advocate here is the government promotion of religion.
    2. Don't look now, but 70% of the population think that the Citizens United ruling sucks. I wouldn't expect it to last too long.

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610
    If I or a group of people who own something want to express our beliefs and it can be proven we aren't pretending just to get a waiver (thus the 40 years of church dogma being important), we have freedom to express our own religious belief in the workplace. That speech is not unlimited, but this matter is TRIVIAL.
    It's not trivial at all. You want organized religion, working in the secular world (in schools and hospitals and elsewhere) to be able to dictate everyone else's standard of conduct, and have the government enforce this conduct on companies and individuals who have little, but passing contact with this religion.

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    The government has no compelling reason to not grant the waiver to all religious organizations or religious owners who can prove a conscientious objection.
    I agree that government has no compelling reason not to grant the religious organization a waiver - when dealing with it's own organization. The church, however has no compelling reason to force the government to prevent any health insurance hired by the church how they must conduct their business, particularly in the secular businesses like schools and hospitals.

    See, that's not freedom of religious belief at that point. It's religious oppression of everyone else. And the church wants the government to sanction it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    100 pages!
    yup.. Limbaugh's perverted demands to watch Ms.Fluke having sex seems to have a lot of supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    Nobody is forcing them to use them. All just Republican rhetoric.
    BS. If I am an employee for a Catholic organization and I ask them does your plan cover contraceptives, the organization can either lie or facilitate something that violates their consciences and doctrines.


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