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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    Provide some links to prove it.
    Okay, so now, there's the beginning of a picture - but while all this was going on, other interesting figures were lurking around the beltway.

    One of the was Andy Stern. The "Father of Healthcare", as he's sometimes known. If you check the White House logs you'll see 27 entries during the drafting of the ObamaCare legislation. That can't possibly be a coincidence.

    Another interesting name that pops up is Robert Creamer. Hm. A convicted felon. Bank fraud. Tax Fraud. Citizens Action Illinois. Husband of Jan Schakowsky.

    All these people in addition to Liz Fowler had a hand in writing portions of the healthcare bill.

    What we know for sure is that no United States Congressman or Senator wrote that bill.

    The rest of the truth is, we do now know the entire list. We don't have the list, they never gave it to us.

    There's no way for us to determine which sections were written together or independently.

    And our damn Congressmen didn't even read the bill before they voted on it.



    Um.... it's kind of interesting also to note what's happened since the passage of the bill. For instance:

    Documents released in a classic Friday afternoon news dump show that labor unions representing 543,812 workers received waivers from President Barack Obama‘s signature legislation since June 17, 2011.
    The US Report - The US Report - Do ObamaCare waivers provide more evidence for*lawsuit?


    This is reality, Mertex. That bill is a dog, it's a complete fraud. It does not address the healthcare issue, all it does is put dollars into the pockets of Big Insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    Yeah, yeah, that's what Reps/cons have been saying over SS, Medicare, ad naseum. How come they don't say the tax cuts for the uber wealthy is stagnating the economy and driving it to bankruptcy. I know why, because they just figure, take from the middle class and give to the rich, the trickle up trick.
    How come? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE!

    Yours is an odd way to argue. You simply ignore a statement by re-wrapping it in Leftist talking points. Total avoidance of the reality in front of you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Okay, so now, there's the beginning of a picture - but while all this was going on, other interesting figures were lurking around the beltway.

    One of the was Andy Stern. The "Father of Healthcare", as he's sometimes known. If you check the White House logs you'll see 27 entries during the drafting of the ObamaCare legislation. That can't possibly be a coincidence.

    Another interesting name that pops up is Robert Creamer. Hm. A convicted felon. Bank fraud. Tax Fraud. Citizens Action Illinois. Husband of Jan Schakowsky.

    All these people in addition to Liz Fowler had a hand in writing portions of the healthcare bill.

    What we know for sure is that no United States Congressman or Senator wrote that bill.

    The rest of the truth is, we do now know the entire list. We don't have the list, they never gave it to us.

    There's no way for us to determine which sections were written together or independently.

    And our damn Congressmen didn't even read the bill before they voted on it.
    Andy Stern, union man, Robert Creamer sportswriter who wrote for Sports Illustrated and Jan Schakowsky is a Congresswoman. And somehow this translates into "insurance companies"?

    Is this your proof? Either you forgot what we were talking about or just trying to deflect, but this doesn't prove diddly.



    Um.... it's kind of interesting also to note what's happened since the passage of the bill. For instance:



    The US Report - The US Report - Do ObamaCare waivers provide more evidence for*lawsuit?
    Oh, I see, you're changing the subject.

    This is reality, Mertex. That bill is a dog, it's a complete fraud. It does not address the healthcare issue, all it does is put dollars into the pockets of Big Insurance.
    That's your opinion and it falls in line with most Republican/conservatives, so I'm not amazed. However, what we had before this was worse than a dog, it was a monster, and people were dying. Since Republicans have not offered anything but criticism for this program, we'll just have to consider the source and march on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    i don't think so devil. do you have anything to offer?

    the first is absolutely correct. the second is true to the extent that the CBO first scored the cost at a little less then a billion dollars for the first 10 years but that included 4 years before it is fully implemented. once fully implemented the cost go to 1.7 billion for the first 10 years. so yes the cost seem to be an unknown. so given that the second, how can anyone say healthcare costs are going to come down.

    so explain why it's BS?
    1.7 billion? thats chump change as we have 310 Million citizens.

    EVEN if you meant 1.7 trillion that would still be chump change in the big picture.

    We have people on the right glad to spend 1 trillion fighting a 10 year war that benefited no one but Lord forbid we have health care for our own citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Psst......The majority of that 50% didn't like it because they thought it didn't go far enough. (it will during Obama's 2nd term)

    HC reform was widely popular, one of Obama's campaign promises & one of the main reasons why he was elected.
    What's disgusting is your pushing yet another intentional GOP deception...that the people didn't want hc reform.. (I'll give you credit for being smart enough to know it's a deception.... so I guess you're just lying)
    Since you're casting aspersions of offering partisan deceptions, I've got a great one for you!
    The Democrat/Progressive deception that the federal takeover of health insurance somehow addresses the cost of healthcare.
    Question: As a percentage of income, did the amount spent by the elderly on medical care increase or decrease after the establishment of Medicare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    However, what we had before this was worse than a dog, it was a monster, and people were dying.
    That's what it's all about for you, isn't it?

    "People are dying".

    Hey Mertex, here's a newsflash: people die. 100% of the people born, die. It happens 100% of the time. No exceptions.

    You can't legislate it away, and you can't insure against it.

    If you don't die today, you'll die tomorrow. If you don't die from illness, you'll die from old age. You ever seen an old cat tryin' to walk around?

    You're going after the impossible dream, Mertex. It doesn't work, it won't happen. You can't stop people from dying. And specifically, you can not stop the pain associated with dying. Medicine hasn't figured out a way to do that yet, and my guess is it won't ever. Death is associated with pain, pretty much 100% of the time unless you get very very lucky and either get blindsided or die in bed (without or without your loved ones surrounding you). Most of us, it turns out, die on our feet. And we get a few minutes to contemplate our lives and feel a little pain before we go.

    That is biology, Mertex. Death is a certainty. Painful death is an "almost" certainty. Insurance doesn't help in that area.

    Since Republicans have not offered anything but criticism for this program, we'll just have to consider the source and march on!
    Sorry, but you don't get to do that. Liberals are well known for foisting their socialist bullshit on an undesiring population. You clowns are never willing to play by the rules, you gotta shove your idiotic social programs down everyone's throat.

    Let me tell you something, Mertex. I have cancer right now. I'm looking at about 3 months to live, unless my medical Hail Mary happens to generate some results. When I started into this thing, I had the best insurance money (and employers) could buy. 100% of everything was covered, except what they call "experimental treatments", which I require. So they offered me a choice: take the standard treatment and we'll pay for it, or take the experimental treatment and you can pay for it yourself. So I told 'em to go fuck off. And now I'm taking my chances. You know why? Because the "standard treatment" kills people. They end up worse off than they were when they started. Did you happen to see any pictures of Patrick Swayze about a month before he went? That's what the "standard treatment" does. It doesn't cure you, it kills you. More painfully than if you did nothing. I am here right now doing work so I can pay for my medical bills which end up being approximately 10% of the total cost "because I'm a guinea pig" - I'm volunteering my body for a medical experiment, that's the reality here. Do I want insurance? No! Am I going to pay for insurance? No! Not ever. Law or no fucking law, I am not paying those rotten bastards to kill me. Okay? You can take your amazingly socially progressive socialized medicine and stick it in your ear. Are you hearing me loud and clear on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    Why are Republicans in Congress so adamant about killing the Affordable Health Care Act?
    Because MessiahCare is unconstitutional.

    Because MessiahCare kills freedom.

    Because MessiahCare kills patients.

    Because MessiahCare is immoral.

    Because MessiahCare is nothing but fascism.

    Because MessiahCare is going to bankrupt the country.

    Because MessiahCare is won't work.

    Because they know that once it is fully implemented they will not be able to fool people into believing that it is a bad program.
    No, they won't have to do that. The dead bodies will speak for themselves, as well as the huge taxes and failed economy.

    Just in case you missed the memo, FDR's Ponzi scheme, Socialist Security, and LBJ's scam, the Greedy Society, are leading to over 120,000 billion dollars in unfunded obligations. MessiahCare is going to add another 100,000 billion on top of that....and the entire world does not have that much money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    Why Republicans want to kill Obamacare in its Infancy!


    because of the mandate, the uncertainty of the cost and there's nothing that gives any indication it will hold down healthcare costs.
    Why when so many conservatives were for a health insurance mandate back in the 90's? I just don't understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    However, what we had before this was worse than a dog, it was a monster, and people were dying. Since Republicans have not offered anything but criticism for this program, we'll just have to consider the source and march on!
    Then again, of course, the bill was passed against the expressed will of the people. There's that you people have to ignore.

    There's the fact that MORE people are going to be dying as MessiahCare destroys the nation's healthcare industry, not to mention the fact that fewer people are going to put in the incredible effort to become doctors if all they're going to do is become slugs in the national bureaucracy.

    Want to see a monster? Wait until MessiahCare takes effect.

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