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They want to kill it because it's a massive tax on the middle class. They want to kill it because it will stifle employment and hiring for millions of people.
They want to kill it because it will destroy our health care system and bankrupt whats left of our Country.
Honestly you Obama supporters are high on crack if you fail to realize the implications of this bill. You're blinded by your ideology.
States that chose not to participate means that the people that qualify for government subsidized care will be sent back to the federal pool.
How are they going to pay for that ???? With what money ? You Obama zombies going to tax the rich for it ?
You might get .0001% of the money you need from them.
What about bankrupt States that are forced to pick up millions of people who qualify for subsidized care ? And by the time this incompetent President gets done with the economy it's going to be millions more.
Try to look at this from a rightie's point of view, Mertex.
First they wanted to give us single-payer, which was state control over the means of payment. That was kinda sorta okay, because payment isn't production, and it doesn't involve the state getting into bed with private companies (and vice versa).
But what we got instead, was mandatory insurance (and penalties for not having it) - which means, that the insurance companies and pharma now depend on the state for 15-20% of their business. This is not good. That is very close to state control over the means of production, and that's a no-no in a right-thinking rightie's eyes.
(But, you say, the Republicans are the ones who agreed to this compromise.... yeah, well, ... you can put two and two together on that one).
Being taxed for not having an "approved" private contract, that is very VERY wierd government in a rightie's eyes. No good.
Our federal government still does not have the Power to coerce a citizen to enter into a private contract. As a result of ObamaCare though, they now have the power to penalize for "not" having a private contract, something which in their infinite stupidity our Supreme Idiots called a "tax". Jeez. Can you say Orwellian doublespeak? War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Money is speech, and corporations are people. Syme says: "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."
ObamaCare is FUBAR. It's a perfect example of politicians doing something for no other reason than so they can say they did something. This bill sucks, there's nothing good about it. All it does is force 30 million people to buy insurance. It does nothing to address healthcare.
And that is the truth.
Hoho! And Republicans have figured out that the implications of this bill are bad? It has been determined by experts that it will save money and reduce the deficit. What exactly are the implications of this bill? Affordable premiums, no hiking of premiums whenever the insurance company feels like hiking it, not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, being able to keep your college kids on your policy till they are 26? Yet Republicans in their insanity keep wasting our money by spending their time and effort, trying to repeal it, knowing full well it won't happen. If they were so smart, would they be going after the provisions that save money? It seems to me that Republicans are the ones that are not only high on crack, but the crack has deteriorated their brains.Honestly you Obama supporters are high on crack if you fail to realize the implications of this bill. You're blinded by your ideology.
In the name of fiscal probity, the incoming Republican leadership in Congress has committed to doing whatever it takes to stop the health care reform act from taking effect.
Yet many of the provisions that politicians have been taking aim at are the ones that save money — like those that reduce excessive provider payments and create new institutions to curb cost growth.
If the newly elected representatives and senators are truly concerned about rising health care costs, they should work to deploy the law’s cost-containment measures fully rather than try to repeal them.
Sure, the health care law is not perfect, but it would cut the nation’s long-term fiscal imbalance by a quarter and reduce the projected deficit within Medicare by three-quarters. That may seem fanciful, given how distorted the public discussion has become. But that’s what the projections show, as long as Congress sticks to its guns and the Obama administration does a good job carrying out the provisions of the law.
The Congressional Budget Office projected PPACA will lower both future deficits and Medicare spending.
States that refuse to participate will end up having the Feds establish the exchanges for them, and end up giving the federal government more control over their state's health care system. That's pretty stupid if you ask me, considering their aim is to retain control. And the Republican governors who do this, will have to explain to their people why they made such a stupid choice. I bet it won't help them get re-elected.States that chose not to participate means that the people that qualify for government subsidized care will be sent back to the federal pool.
Internal Republican politics make it difficult for Perry and other governors to implement the Affordable Care Act even when it benefits their states. That political incentive is strong enough to compel cash-strapped governors to turn down money from Washington and give the federal government more control over their state’s health care system.
I see you didn't read the rules of this Forum. Calling other members names is against the rules, but gathering from your comments, I suppose I should consider the source. However, if you do it again, ignorance will not be an excuse, I'll have to report you.How are they going to pay for that ???? With what money ? You zombies going to tax the rich for it ?
And, I see Faux News has done a good job on you. Hmmmm, I wonder how we are able to pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? With what money? Are you Reps going to tax the rich for it? Oh, no, you give the rich a tax cut - oh my, and still be able to pay for the wars!
Huh? And I'm supposed to be the one on crack?You might get .0001% of the money you from them.
Oh geez, they really are pushing the fear tactics over on the right, aren't they. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! We don't have money to take care of the poor, but we have money to give the rich another tax cut.What about bankrupt States that are forced to pick up millions of people who qualify for subsidized care ? And by the time this incompetent President gets done with the economy it's going to be millions more.
Yes, it appears you are.I'm sorry,