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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Reform is what is wanted not the Obamacare....
    You Republicans are to blame for what we got.




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    Can't replace until Obamacare is gone
    GOP BS
    Laws are fine-tuned by Congress all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You Republicans are to blame for what we got.




    GOP BS
    Laws are fine-tuned by Congress all the time.
    Not one GOP vote for Obamacare. Democrats made sure the bill could not be read before vote. Democrats shoved this bad bill down our throats.

    Get rid of Obamacare and then look at what reform is needed. First thing is get rid of the government control of healthcare

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Your logic is faulty. It's the insurance companies who veto'd single-payer and wouldn't let it be considered as an option.
    I see that you didn't provide a link, so am I supposed to take your word for it when I have articles that refute it?

    "The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea," said health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. In 1991, he published a paper that explained how a mandate could be combined with tax credits – two ideas that are now part of Obama's law. Pauly's paper was well-received – by the George H.W. Bush administration.
    Republicans Were For Obama's Health Insurance Rule Before They Were Against It


    Make no mistake: this health care bill will eventually move us towards a single-payer system. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted as much. And President Obamafavors such a system.
    Yet here are the specific reasons why single-payer health care does not and will not work:
    Problem 1: It inevitably must ration care.
    A single-payer system is a “free-for-all system,” where costs are driven up. Patients over-consume health services because they don’t have to pay for them, and, thus, providers must oversupply those services. The only way a government can deal with overconsumption and oversupply is to ration those services through waiting lists.
    Republicans & Conservatives: Single-Payer Health Care Does Not Work



    And guess which party the insurance industry funds?

    Yep, the Democrats.
    Meh

    Pretty equally to the Republicans, the dollar amounts match pretty closely.

    In other words, the insurance industry is following the same strategy as the rest of corporate America, they donate to both parties, that way they get favors no matter who wins.

    Follow the dollars, the numbers don't lie.

    Here's a typical entry:

    18. Prudential Financial $374,895 R - 50% D - 50%

    Trying to blame the 'Pubbies for this is pure partisan drivel.

    This is an insurance company issue, and Obama was the one who screwed up by inviting them to the table.

    And now you're stuck with the ACA, and so am I.
    Looks like pure speculation on your part. Provide some links to prove it. I've already given you a "Republican" site that says you're wrong.

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    Republicans love the fetus (Heritage plan with individual mandate; RomneyCare) but hate the baby (ObamaCare based on the Heritage plan with individual mandate).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is Obama and the liberals that are lying. When people find out how much more it costs them the democrats will run and hide
    Well, it is the law now, so why not implement it, see how things go, if things need to be tweaked or changed, then do it, but to throw the whole thing out and start all over is ludicrous, we have something to go on, lets get on with it, improve it when it needs to be, if need be, at least give it a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mertex View Post
    Why are Republicans in Congress so adamant about killing the Affordable Health Care Act? Because they know that once it is fully implemented they will not be able to fool people into believing that it is a bad program.


    Republicans want to kill the Affordable Healthcare Act in its infancy because they know that once millions of Americans start to experience the benefits and realize how much better it is than what we had before, Obamacare will be with us forever. They coined the term "Obamacare" as a derogatory term, never realizing that we wouldn't take offense, but rather accept and own it as it gives Obama credit for it. Years from now, when even Republicans say "Don't mess with my Obamacare", Obama will be getting the credit for getting this country off that broken system we had before. If it hadn't been for Obama, millions would continue without healthcare insurance.

    As it is, some Republicans already like some of the provisions in Obamacare - so imagine what will happen in 2014, when it goes full bloom?

    Republicans actually like Obamacare - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    I heard this guy on NPR yesterday making what I thought was a deplorable set of statements.
    The topic was the healthcare bill and historical opposition to similar large government programs.
    They mentioned Social Security, and this guy basically says (I'll have to paraphrase from memory here) "oh ya, there was a lot of fierce opposition to it but when more people started receiving benefits from it, they liked it more. Then their children were born into it so they just kind of accept it as "normal" and the opposition fades".
    Really?
    That's so disgusting that one would suggest that the government should just ram a program down the people's throats that 50% of them don't want, they'll quit bitching so much when we buy them off, and the kids will fight for it because something is being "taken away" from them. The initial payout seems nice. Like with Social Security it was nice for a couple of generations. It's not going to be for mine and those earlier. As it should be.

    Anyway, @Mertex sorry I went off on a tangent a bit, but that pissed me off when I heard it and I hadn't had a chance to bitch about it yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparsely View Post
    I heard this guy on NPR yesterday making what I thought was a deplorable set of statements.
    The topic was the healthcare bill and historical opposition to similar large government programs.
    They mentioned Social Security, and this guy basically says (I'll have to paraphrase from memory here) "oh ya, there was a lot of fierce opposition to it but when more people started receiving benefits from it, they liked it more. Then their children were born into it so they just kind of accept it as "normal" and the opposition fades".
    Really?
    That's so disgusting that one would suggest that the government should just ram a program down the people's throats that 50% of them don't want, they'll quit bitching so much when we buy them off, and the kids will fight for it because something is being "taken away" from them. The initial payout seems nice. Like with Social Security it was nice for a couple of generations. It's not going to be for mine and those earlier. As it should be.

    Anyway, @Mertex sorry I went off on a tangent a bit, but that pissed me off when I heard it and I hadn't had a chance to bitch about it yet
    This is untrue. Social Security is funded through to infinite. Sometime around 2035, the benefits fall to 78% of today's benefits paid to retirees, after the SS surplus is spent. Then around 2085, SS benefits fall to 75% of today's benefits (inflation adjusted projections). So, unless some dumb conservatives eff up and legislatively get rid of the program, it will always be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanty View Post
    This is untrue. Social Security is funded through to infinite. Sometime around 2035, the benefits fall to 78% of today's benefits paid to retirees, after the SS surplus is spent. Then around 2085, SS benefits fall to 75% of today's benefits (inflation adjusted projections). So, unless some dumb conservatives eff up and legislatively get rid of the program, it will always be around.
    ^^^^^^^^
    Yes. That!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanty View Post
    This is untrue. Social Security is funded through to infinite. Sometime around 2035, the benefits fall to 78% of today's benefits paid to retirees, after the SS surplus is spent. Then around 2085, SS benefits fall to 75% of today's benefits (inflation adjusted projections). So, unless some dumb conservatives eff up and legislatively get rid of the program, it will always be around.
    All I can say is, "watch".

    And what of the meat of my argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparsely View Post
    All I can say is, "watch".
    Math is our friend. As I said, unless some dopes go and pull the plug on SS, it will be around until inifinite, or the Great Cthulu comes and eats up our great-great-great-great grandchildren.

    Quote Originally Posted by sparsely View Post
    And what of the meat of my argument?
    It's all gristle.

    Social Security was enacted by the Representatives that were elected and voted on, knowing they'd keep or lose their jobs if they pissed off their constituents. That's what the founders of this nation thought was wise.

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