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    Romney Campaign Conned

    This is interesting. Apparently, consultants to the campaign screwed them.

    So what caused the breakdown and why didn’t it get fixed in time? Well according to sources who worked closely with the program, the blame is at the feet of consultants.

    Specifically Targeted Victory, FLS Connect, and The Stevens and Schriefer Group. While the Romney campaign did work with other consultants, they were apparently not part of the problem.


    They say that the truth is the consultants essentially used the Romney campaign as a money making scheme, forcing employees to spin false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security.


    Zac Moffatt, Digital Director for the Romney campaign, was specifically named as having “built a nest egg for himself and co-founder of Targeted Victory, Mike Beach,” and that they “didn’t get social” media and ignored objections from other consultants and staffers in the campaign.

    Sources also said that arrogance played a big role, saying that the Romney campaign was a hostile battlefield of egos in which these consultants viewed any opposition to their world view as coming from an enemy. This apparently led to the ORCA program “receiving no stress test, no usage during super saturdays and no ability to have a Plan B or C when everything hit the fan.”

    “The brain trust of the Romney campaign was so arrogant that they refused to change strategy. It was clear in June were SOL,” said one email.

    Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job | RedState

    That explains why Romney had no concession speech prepared and was shell-shocked when he lost. He's not such a great manager afterall.

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    I had a hunch that this was going on the whole time. You could tell from Romney's demeanor that he's a bit of a wise guy, and that he respects wise guys working under him who are trying to gather social status. This was confirmed when he nominated Paul Ryan who has very similar stature.

    The guy just smiles weirdly whether it's his plain old grin, or opened with teeth. You don't get the impression that he's convinced in what he's saying, but that he's just going through the motions in order to suck up.

    Leadership can't be about sucking up. It has to be about taking strides, and he didn't stride about anything. On top of that, he ran a campaign on facts, not values. Fact based arguments are intrinsically liberal because they objectify society which suggests an open mind to central planning, not subjective free markets.

    Well as anyone knows, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Considering that he was operating in unfamiliar waters, it's not surprising that the very facts his campaign was running on were unreliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is interesting. Apparently, consultants to the campaign screwed them.







    Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job | RedState

    That explains why Romney had no concession speech prepared and was shell-shocked when he lost. He's not such a great manager afterall.
    The typo in the subject line is so spot on.

    Rimney Campaign Conned
    He did tease quite a few assholes....

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    I think that people who are conned actually either con themselves or they want to be conned. The sideshow here is that Fox News conned the RW /Teas but the RW / Teas wanted to hear a certain messgae and Fox gave it them. Did Foc News Network con it's own self ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Bandera View Post
    I think that people who are conned actually either con themselves or they want to be conned. The sideshow here is that Fox News conned the RW /Teas but the RW / Teas wanted to hear a certain messgae and Fox gave it them. Did Foc News Network con it's own self ?
    As W.C. Fields once said "you can't cheat an honest man".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is interesting. Apparently, consultants to the campaign screwed them.


    That explains why Romney had no concession speech prepared and was shell-shocked when he lost. He's not such a great manager afterall.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I had a hunch that this was going on the whole time. You could tell from Romney's demeanor that he's a bit of a wise guy, and that he respects wise guys working under him who are trying to gather social status. This was confirmed when he nominated Paul Ryan who has very similar stature.

    The guy just smiles weirdly whether it's his plain old grin, or opened with teeth. You don't get the impression that he's convinced in what he's saying, but that he's just going through the motions in order to suck up.

    Leadership can't be about sucking up. It has to be about taking strides, and he didn't stride about anything. On top of that, he ran a campaign on facts, not values. Fact based arguments are intrinsically liberal because they objectify society which suggests an open mind to central planning, not subjective free markets.

    Well as anyone knows, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Considering that he was operating in unfamiliar waters, it's not surprising that the very facts his campaign was running on were unreliable.
    Then what is being suggested here is the campaign should have changed direction and message to suit the polls. To connect with the voters. And then Romney could have enticed new accusations of "flip-flopper".

    I don't deny there was a level of disconnect in the campaign's analysis. But on votes he really didn't lose by so much. Maybe I'm outdated, but the technology and internal chicanery just don't seem to be an important part of this election loss. The fact is a little more than half of the votes trusted in Obama's message and record. So be it. Every day here on PH we see good Americans standing up for that message. So there are fewer of us who disagree. I saw nothing wrong with Romney's message. It spoke for me. Romney did his job and was refused by percentage points. That is what really counts here. Could ORCA have produced more votes if properly administered? I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    I don't deny there was a level of disconnect in the campaign's analysis. But on votes he really didn't lose by so much. Maybe I'm outdated, but the technology and internal chicanery just don't seem to be an important part of this election loss. The fact is a little more than half of the votes trusted in Obama's message and record. So be it. Every day here on PH we see good Americans standing up for that message. So there are fewer of us who disagree. I saw nothing wrong with Romney's message. It spoke for me. Romney did his job and was refused by percentage points. That is what really counts here. Could ORCA have produced more votes if properly administered? I'm not so sure.
    The problem is that Romney had a marketing problem--a business problem--that he didn't overcome because of his arrogance, his isolation from a true understanding of the electorate, and his tendency to listen only to a few people near the top. It wasn't a message problem--it was a faulty-investor problem. He followed up his remarks about not caring about the 47% with an electoral strategy that actually ignored them. That's dumb. Romney, the master investor, suffered defeat because of the most obvious mistake an investor can make--he refused to see things as they actually were and preferred to operate under his own preferences and prejudices. That's dumb. And this time he was taking massive amounts of other people's money and flushing them down a drain. From an investment standpoint, this election might be the worst investment Romney ever led.

    As for his loss, Romney's opponent got more than 50% of the vote and Romney lost by more than two percent. Other than Obama's first victory, that's the worst performance of a Republican since Ford in 1976. [Note: Even though Republicans retained the House by a significant margin, they actually got fewer votes than Democrats overall.] And since Obama's victory was based on GOTV, criticism of Romney's own system is warranted--particularly since the 2004 Bush victory was also the result of highly successful GOTV efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is interesting. Apparently, consultants to the campaign screwed them.







    Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job | RedState

    That explains why Romney had no concession speech prepared and was shell-shocked when he lost. He's not such a great manager afterall.
    LOL, how very "Republican" of the consultants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is interesting. Apparently, consultants to the campaign screwed them.

    Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job | RedState

    That explains why Romney had no concession speech prepared and was shell-shocked when he lost. He's not such a great manager afterall.
    Ha ha - this surprises you?

    Hasn't this been the overt symptom of the neo-con influence from day one?

    It's the overwhelming arrogance, and all the rest of the stuff that goes along with it - the paranoia, the attack doggery, the conjuring up of alternate realities....

    No kidding Babba, this is what you and I and every other right-thinking patriot with a brain cell has been trying to get these clowns to wake up to.

    The once-proud Republican party has been thoroughly brainwashed, there's a cancer in their midst that they need to excise, but so far they don't even seem to know it's there. It's definitely causing overt symptoms, isn't it? That's so painfully obvious to everyone but the patient, they're always the last one to know, but in this case it's not because people have been shy about telling 'em, it's because they're stupidly arrogant and they don't want to listen to the truth.

    But now, in a larger sense, this is the crossroads for a lot of America right now. The truth hurts. We do need real leadership in this area, at this time. Some good leadership would definitely help.

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    I think this whole episode about Romney being "shell-shocked" about his defeat really confirms that it was the right decision to keep this so-called 'manager' out of power.

    The whole "unskewed polls" thing started out as a right-wing media joke to be made fun of by serious analysts, but somewhere along the line the upper echelons of the Republican Party, including Mitt Romney himself, began to believe it. Romney genuinely believed he was cruising for a landslide and genuinely believed he was in Pennsylvania and Minnesota days before the election because he was expanding the map since the swing states were already won. Some numbers guy he was. This campaign team was a bunch of delusional idiots, worse than McCain-Palin.

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