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    why was Ambassador Chris Stevens really in Benghazi ?

    This is new information as of yesterday, based on investigative reporting from Aaron Klein. He's been traipsing around the Middle East (mostly Egypt) and North Africa interviewing foreign politicians and "security experts" (intelligence types).

    Here's what's emerged (pardon me for pasting most of this, but it's worth reading in detail):

    Investigative reporter/best-selling author/radio talk-show host Aaron Klein began reporting in September that according to his Middle East sources, Ambassador Stevens and other U.S. personnel were involved in the Obama administration’s effort to destabilize and overthrow the government of Syria. Klein, the Jerusalem bureau chief for WorldNetDaily (WND), wrote in a September 24 WND column:
    Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador murdered in Libya, played a central role in recruiting jihadists to fight Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria, according to Egyptian security officials speaking to WND.

    Stevens served as a key contact with the Saudis to coordinate the recruitment by Saudi Arabia of Islamic fighters from North Africa and Libya. The jihadists were sent to Syria via Turkey to attack Assad’s forces, said the security officials.

    This reporter interviewed Aaron Klein in Appleton, Wisconsin, on October 23, where he appeared at a joint speaking engagement with New Zealand author/researcher Trevor Loudon, author of Barack Obama and the Enemies Within.

    Klein emphatically took issue with the numerous media reports that referred to the U.S. compound that was attacked on September 11 as a “U.S. consulate,” and explained why that distinction is important.

    “It was not a consulate,” Aaron Klein told The New American. “According to Middle East security officials I talked to, this was a major meeting point -- I would say the central meeting point -- for the American diplomats, including Christopher Stevens, the U.S. Ambassador who was killed, to meet with officials of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, about supplying the opposition in Syria and Libya. Well, who is the opposition? In Libya, the opposition openly included jihadists, included al-Qaeda elements. In Syria, right now, the al-Qaeda elements are leading the opposition.... According to the different sources I spoke to, what we have here is a U.S. policy of arming rebels, knowing or not knowing -- but I can’t understand how they would not know -- that many of these rebels are jihadists.”


    These revelations are not at all shocking to those who are familiar with the Obama administration’s record of support for virulently anti-American Islamists in Libya, including those closely allied with al-Qaeda. As we have reported previously in The New American, the Obama administration’s “Arab Spring” strategy infamously embraced terror “Emir” Abdelhakim Belhadj and his Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG).

    The LIFG’s role in Libya as an al-Qaeda franchise was no secret. A 2007 study by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point entitled Al-Qa’ida’s Foreign Fighters in Iraq reported:
    Recent political developments in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the prevalence of Libyan fighters in Iraq, and evidence of a well-established smuggling route for Libyans through Egypt, suggests that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al-Qa’ida.

    The West Point study by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman is based on an extensive cache of documents captured by U.S. forces in the Sinjar District of Iraq, including profiles of hundreds of foreign fighters who were engaged in killing U.S. and NATO personnel.

    The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group is listed by our National Counterterrorism Center and the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Counterterrorism as a “Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.” The United Nations Security Council likewise lists the LIFG as an al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group. Nevertheless, Abdelhakim Belhadj and the LIFG received blessings (and aid) from the Obama administration. After Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi was overthrown, Belhadj was installed as the chief of the Military Council in the new U.S.-backed “rebel” regime in Tripoli. And Belhadj is only one of several notorious terrorists aided by the United States in our “humanitarian intervention” in Libya.


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    According to Adm. Lyons:
    We now know why Ambassador Christopher Stevens had to be in Benghazi the night of 9/11 to meet a Turkish representative, even though he feared for his safety. According to various reports, one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 -- portable SAMs -- to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria....

    Once the attack commenced at 10:00 p.m. Libyan time (4:00 p.m. EST), we know the mission security staff immediately contacted Washington and our embassy in Tripoli. It now appears the White House, Pentagon, State Department, CIA, NDI, JCS and various other military commands monitored the entire battle in real time via frantic phone calls from our compound and video from an overhead drone. The cries for help and support went unanswered.

    “Our Benghazi mission personnel, including our two former Navy SEALs, fought for seven hours without any assistance other than help from our embassy in Tripoli, which launched within 30 minutes an aircraft carrying six Americans and 16 Libyan security guards,” Adm. Lyons noted. “It is understood they were instrumental in helping 22 of our Benghazi mission personnel escape the attack.”

    Benghazigate: The Disaster That Should Have Sunk Obama ? and Still Could

    The investigation into Benghazi now has to shift over to the real issues.

    Why were we illegally running heavy weapons from Libya to Syria?

    Why are we arming jihadists in both Libya and Syria?

    Why are we supporting foreign government who install known terrorists into key decision-making positions?

    And what actually happened to Carter Ham and Charles Gauoette?

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    According to various reports, one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 -- portable SAMs -- to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria....
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but could it be they allowed him to be killed so this information wouldn't get out? (not that it worked...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but could it be they allowed him to be killed so this information wouldn't get out? (not that it worked...)
    This is a very serious charge, about the SA-7's. The Russians apparently saw some SA-7's in Syria, and they filed a formal complaint with the United States, and we of course promptly denied it lock stock and barrel.

    Now, if anyone uncovers direct evidence that there actually was even one SA-7 shipped from Libya to Syria (either by the US or with the assistance of the US), we're in a boatload of hot water.

    Then, the talks between Obama and Putin about the European missile shield will take on a whole new dimension. Because when countries like Russia and Iran claim that they're "scared of US aggression", all they have to do is point to the SA-7's and people will know what they're talking about.

    And then it'll be like "Iran's building a bomb? I would too, considering the US keeps fucking with 'em", and that will wash too.

    And suddenly the Israelis will be forced to strike Iran, because they'll know the US won't help 'em, and if they don't they'll miss their window.

    IMO, this is now a very serious situation, it seems to me the Obama admin just lost all the credibility they were trying to accumulate in the Islamic world.

    You have to admit, this is a wierd-ass strategy. We're helping the Sunnis (Wahabis, Salafis) come to power in mixed areas, where they will be certain to turn everyone else into second class citizens, including their cousins the Shi'a, who won't be too happy about it. The results of this are a) the Iranian Shi'a and their proxies like Hezbollah now have a legitimate beef against the United States, which means you can expect to see an escalation of their expressions of displeasure, and b) suddenly we have half a dozen heavily armed Sunni governments with extremist political leanings.

    WTF is Obama thinking?

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    The Solomon research is making headlines today.

    Also the news media is starting to agree with my assessment on Susan Rice.

    The details from the CIA and Pentagon assessments of the killing of Ambassador Chris [Stevens] were far more specific, more detailed and more current than the unclassified talking points that UN Ambassador Susan Rice and other officials used five days after the attack to suggest to Americans that an unruly mob angry over an anti-Islamic video was to blame, officials said.

    Most of the details affirming al-Qaida links were edited or excluded from the unclassified talking points used by Rice in appearances on news programs the weekend after the attack, officials confirmed Friday. Multiple agencies were involved in excising information, doing so because it revealed sources and methods, dealt with classified intercepts or involved information that was not yet fully confirmed, the officials said.

    This is a full-blown scandal, and in light of this information, the press corps’s slothful indifference to uncovering the truth at Wednesday’s news conference with Obama is all the more shocking. It is time for the president to come clean. The scandal has now enveloped the Oval Office and will define his second term, if not resolved satisfactorily.

    The irony of this is that Rice may well have been used as a patsy, unaware that she was sent out to spin a misleading tale. My colleague Dana Milbank recounts Rice’s long-standing inability to get along with others and to be circumspect in her pronouncements:

    It’s true that, in her much-criticized TV performance, she was reciting talking points given to her by the intelligence agencies. But that’s the trouble. Rice stuck with her points even though they had been contradicted by the president of the Libyan National Assembly, who, on CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’ just before Rice, said there was “no doubt” that the attack on Americans in Benghazi “was preplanned.” Rice rebutted the Libyan official, arguing — falsely, it turned out — that there was no evidence of such planning. . . .
    BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi - Right Turn - The Washington Post

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    Aaron Klein?! This Aaron Klein? Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    This is a very serious charge, about the SA-7's. The Russians apparently saw some SA-7's in Syria, and they filed a formal complaint with the United States, and we of course promptly denied it lock stock and barrel.

    Now, if anyone uncovers direct evidence that there actually was even one SA-7 shipped from Libya to Syria (either by the US or with the assistance of the US), we're in a boatload of hot water.

    Then, the talks between Obama and Putin about the European missile shield will take on a whole new dimension. Because when countries like Russia and Iran claim that they're "scared of US aggression", all they have to do is point to the SA-7's and people will know what they're talking about.

    And then it'll be like "Iran's building a bomb? I would too, considering the US keeps fucking with 'em", and that will wash too.

    And suddenly the Israelis will be forced to strike Iran, because they'll know the US won't help 'em, and if they don't they'll miss their window.

    IMO, this is now a very serious situation, it seems to me the Obama admin just lost all the credibility they were trying to accumulate in the Islamic world.

    You have to admit, this is a wierd-ass strategy. We're helping the Sunnis (Wahabis, Salafis) come to power in mixed areas, where they will be certain to turn everyone else into second class citizens, including their cousins the Shi'a, who won't be too happy about it. The results of this are a) the Iranian Shi'a and their proxies like Hezbollah now have a legitimate beef against the United States, which means you can expect to see an escalation of their expressions of displeasure, and b) suddenly we have half a dozen heavily armed Sunni governments with extremist political leanings.

    WTF is Obama thinking?
    We brought this on ourselves by electing a President that was absolutely not qualified for the role.

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    CIA operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Aaron Klein?! This Aaron Klein? Seriously?
    He's a Jew and he has an opinion. So what? We need to step up out of this perceptual mess, Babba. Facts are facts, they don't need any ideology to go along with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    He's a Jew and he has an opinion. So what? We need to step up out of this perceptual mess, Babba. Facts are facts, they don't need any ideology to go along with them.
    He's a freaking birther, fergawdsake! And your link to an opinion piece in the Post by another rightwinger does not indicate that the news media is starting to agree with your assessment.

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