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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton2226 View Post
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    Nelson believed that people who hate can love... obviously he never visited PH.
    You have a fluffy, idealized image of a very complex man that could be horribly violent when it suited his purpose.

    That the purpose was right does not change the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenridgeman View Post
    He is more like the Ho Chi Minh of South Africa, and I say that as an admirer of what Ho did for his people in freeing them from French and American interference in their right to sovereignty.
    The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

    Mandela has been a controversial figure for much of his life. Right-wing critics denounced him as a terrorist and communist sympathiser. He nevertheless gained international acclaim for his anti-colonial and anti-apartheid stance, having received more than 250 honours, including the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize, the US Presidential Medal of Freedom, and the Soviet Order of Lenin. He is held in deep respect within South Africa, where he is often referred to by his Xhosa clan name, Madiba, or as Tata ("Father"); he is often described as "the father of the nation".

    No way.. not even close. I would NOT dare mention these two men in the same breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton2226 View Post
    The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

    Mandela has been a controversial figure for much of his life. Right-wing critics denounced him as a terrorist and communist sympathiser. He nevertheless gained international acclaim for his anti-colonial and anti-apartheid stance, having received more than 250 honours, including the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize, the US Presidential Medal of Freedom, and the Soviet Order of Lenin. He is held in deep respect within South Africa, where he is often referred to by his Xhosa clan name, Madiba, or as Tata ("Father"); he is often described as "the father of the nation".

    No way.. not even close. I would NOT dare mention these two men in the same breath.
    So what about all the black people Mandela's group killed because they thought they were in league with the apartheid government?

    No trial or anything, they just tortured and killed them.

    That ok with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So what about all the black people Mandela's group killed because they thought they were in league with the apartheid government?

    No trial or anything, they just tortured and killed them.

    That ok with you?
    Prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton2226 View Post
    Prove it.
    Go read the other thread where I proved it.

    Not going to spam it in a duplicate thread of that one.

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    Because you wrote it, you prove it.... Nelson Mandela stopped bloodshed. The right wants to portray him as a terrorist, but that is hogwash. No different than the things they say about our President. The right hates Blacks (period).

    Nelson Mandela: The Man Who Saved South Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton2226 View Post
    Because you wrote it, you prove it.... Nelson Mandela stopped bloodshed. The right wants to portray him as a terrorist, but that is hogwash. No different than the things they say about our President. The right hates Blacks (period).

    Nelson Mandela: The Man Who Saved South Africa
    You don't believe that Mandela did any terrorist activity?

    At all?

    Oh brother, talk about burying your head in the sand.

    Go do your own research man. Figure it out for yourself.

    His group invented the torture practice called Necklace. Go ahead and google that if you want.

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton2226 View Post
    Because you wrote it, you prove it.... Nelson Mandela stopped bloodshed. The right wants to portray him as a terrorist, but that is hogwash.
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    He's no saint:
    Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.
    3 Things You Didn?t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela - The Backbencher
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    Perhaps he was no saint; yet many people who change things aren't.

    He certainly made a difference.

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    How many people did our own revolutionaries kill?

    ...Mandela and his comrades charged with four counts of sabotage and conspiracy to violently overthrow the government. Their chief prosecutor was Percy Yutar, who called for them to receive the death penalty.[115] Judge Quartus de Wet soon threw out the prosecution's case for insufficient evidence, but Yutar reformulated the charges, presenting his new case from December until February 1964, calling 173 witnesses and bringing thousands of documents and photographs to the trial.[116]

    With the exception of James Kantor, who was innocent of all charges, Mandela and the accused admitted sabotage but denied that they had ever agreed to initiate guerilla war against the government. They used the trial to highlight their political cause; one of Mandela's speeches – inspired by Castro's "History Will Absolve Me" speech – was widely reported in the press despite official censorship.[117] The trial gained international attention, with global calls for the release of the accused from such institutions as the United Nations and World Peace Council. The University of London Union voted Mandela to its presidency, and nightly vigils for him were held in St. Paul's Cathedral, London.[118] However, deeming them to be violent communist agitators, South Africa's government ignored all calls for clemency, and on 12 June 1964 de Wet found Mandela and two of his co-accused guilty on all four charges, sentencing them to life imprisonment rather than death.[119] Wikipedia
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