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    Quote Originally Posted by Snikitz View Post
    You are comparing a nation with a population of less then 30 million to a population of more than 350 million..

    The comparison doesn't work.

    We need more jobs - good quality jobs that force industry to pay more, compete for workers.

    When you have that you get an automatic wage increase for competent workers.


    Working minimum wage is for kids and old people. Adults working at minimum wage are essentially the flotsam of the workforce that no one wants.
    So, what works in a nation of 30 million doesn't apply to one with 350 million.

    Really? That's the difference, the population?

    Can you substantiate that claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I'm sorry. Maybe if you attended additional schooling you could comprehend it. The OP compared one thing, the price of a Big Mac then declared that minimum wage being higher didn't hurt. However, there are many, many more factors to what an employer pays and what an employee earns than just the price of a Big Mac. You think about it. You might be able to get it.
    See, but the OP did COMPARE the price, by naming the price of a big mac in both those compared countries.

    Is the concept of COMPARING something, you see.
    You tell the different values in the to be compared premises, and you can even go as far as pointing out the differences.

    Simply listing the tax rates of one country... is not a comparison of anything, by any definition.

    I appreciate the recommendation for me to attend additional schooling.. it shows me that the generic "concept" of schooling is not fully unknown to you.. just that you seem to never have participated even in the basic levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    See, but the OP did COMPARE the price, by naming the price of a big mac in both those compared countries.

    Is the concept of COMPARING something, you see.
    You tell the different values in the to be compared premises, and you can even go as far as pointing out the differences.

    Simply listing the tax rates of one country... is not a comparison of anything, by any definition.

    I appreciate the recommendation for me to attend additional schooling.. it shows me that the generic "concept" of schooling is not fully unknown to you.. just that you seem to never have participated even in the basic levels.
    Let's compare the price of a house in Australia to the USA then we'll talk about the minimum wage. Does that make sense?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Let's compare the price of a house in Australia to the USA then we'll talk about the minimum wage. Does that make sense?


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    sure.. feel free.

    Just specify as well what type of house you're comparing when you list the prices, ok ?
    We don't want to end up comparing the cost of a mobile home in the middle of Arkansas with a 2 bd/2bath condo in the heart of Sidney, right ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzGod View Post
    I don't care what other countries do regarding minimum wages. Americans should be free to work for whatever wage they agree with an employer upon.
    So indentured servitude is fine with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    So indentured servitude is fine with you!
    If both parties freely agree to it, why should I care one way or another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Like you do? You are nothing short of an ignorant jackass that has never contributed anything other than fucking stupid replies.
    And you're not? lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Then Americans must really be stupid. It might be the worst but it's number one in America. This is about the minimum wage. You could substitute Burger King and the thread would have the same meaning.

    Republicans don't have a problem giving tax breaks to Billion Dollar corporations but paying a living wage is somehow highway robbery.

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    What exactly is a "living wage"? Is it not simply providing a roof over your head and food on your table and clothes on your back? Everything else is nothing more than excess. Do welfare recipients really need the latest Michael Jordan Nike's? The latest high dollar cellphone? How about that 50 inch TV? Please define what a "living wage" actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Then Americans must really be stupid. It might be the worst but it's number one in America. This is about the minimum wage. You could substitute Burger King and the thread would have the same meaning.

    Republicans don't have a problem giving tax breaks to Billion Dollar corporations but paying a living wage is somehow highway robbery.

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    If you expect to earn "a living wage" on any plausible minimum wage you can imagine then you live in fantasy land.
    Minimum wage is what you pay someone who has never had a job before, someone who may or may not show up for work, someone who has no documented skills whatsoever. No one who is willing to work will earn minimum wage for very long. That was my experience as a young minimum wage earner, and I'll bet you don't know anyone who stayed at minimum wage past their teens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Even the poorest workers in the USA pay payroll taxes. No one's tax rate is really zero.

    Are your figures accurate? Are they in USD or AUD? Does the minimum wage have anything to do with it?

    The argument has been made that fast food prices would go though the roof if we raised the minimum wage. Australia has a higher minimum than we do by far, yet fast food cost appears to be lower there.

    Feel free to pick out something besides Big Macks and make a direct comparison.
    Payroll taxes aren't taxes. Social security is theoretically your own money which you will, theoretically, get back in social security payments, except that the government has been robbing the SS funds. Medicare is more like old age health insurance on which you start paying the premiums early. Neither is a traditional tax, which is why above a certain threshold income isn't subject to medicare or social security "tax", quite the opposite of the progressive income tax. So poor workers don't "pay payroll tax", they invest in their own future. Yeah, that's it. And then they get the earned income tax credit, which is a welfare payment to low earners, so they may actually come out ahead. So actually, not only can tax rate reach zero, you could get a refund back that was never paid in.
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