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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Our state government employees have health deductibles in the $100-$250 range with policies they pay almost nothing in premiums for. It's not even possible to buy that type of policy for yourself as a private citizen. And look what premiums cost in this state. That is a special privilege for public employees in my state. Our state and municipal employees hired before 2006 get an extremely generous pension that virtually none of the taxpayers of the next 20-30 years will receive. And that's despite an over $42,000 of public pension debt PER PERSON., a mind-blowing liability required by law to be flung forward onto generations of non-pensioners. That is a special privilege. Public employees are able to form cartels that prohibit governments from hiring people not in their cartel. That is a special privilege. Public employees join cartels that negotiate "against" other public employees who typically stand only to gain from public sector wage inflation, which was why FDR said collective bargaining as commonly understood cannot be transplanted into the public sector. The country's tolerance of this gives public employees a special privilege.

    If you think all that shit is acceptable, then yes you do believe in special privileges for public employees. You believe in special privileges for public employees with your whole heart.



    You said you don't believe in special privileges for public employees. I agree. I am opposed to special privileges for public employees. Public employee managers are not "economic masters," they don't get "rich" from screwing any public sector workers, they have no remarkable history whatsoever of "enslaving" (your melodramatic words) public employees, and so on. Public employees can be fairly compensated without the existence of unions.



    My opinion on this matter is that public sector unions shouldn't exist in any form remotely resembling the way they currently do, so yeah the nature of that opinion leaves little room for "gradients." But once public sector collective bargaining for wages and benefits ceases to exist altogether, then we can talk about what constitutes adequate compensation for public employees. There can be many "gradients" to that discussion. I am open to all sorts of talk about how generously we should compensate teachers, public utility workers, and other government employees. Unions just do not need to be part of that equation. In fact they must not be.



    The rate of public sector union membership is roughly as high as it's ever been ever in history. And I don't care about "when unions go too far," what I care about is that they are explicitly permitted by law to do things that should be illegal, things which are illegal for non-unions to do. These laws need to change.
    What I find so sad here is your anger at people getting wonderful benefits instead of wanting everyone to have them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    What I find so sad here is your anger at people getting wonderful benefits instead of wanting everyone to have them
    What I find sad is that you don't understand public finance or where the money comes from to pay for benefits that are exclusive to state employees and unavailable to state taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What I find sad is that you don't understand public finance or where the money comes from to pay for benefits that are exclusive to state employees and unavailable to state taxpayers.
    Seems like there should be more to this. Like an explanation of what it is you think Isalexi does not understand, and how that's relevant to the point, which is the same point I made earlier, and which you also did not address then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Seems like there should be more to this. Like an explanation of what it is you think Isalexi does not understand, and how that's relevant to the point, which is the same point I made earlier, and which you also did not address then.
    She responded to post #79 acknowledging absolutely none of it, rather just remarked that she finds it sad that I don't appear to want zillion dollar glorious benefits for everyone.

    I explained exactly why state employees in my state should definitely NOT be getting health insurance with $100-$250 deductibles. It didn't even compute for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    So which is it... too much regulation, or too much letting the sharks regulate themselves? Letting people regulate themselves I equate to "not regulating them".
    I think it's both because we over regulate the wrong things.

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