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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Corporate welfare doesn't offend GOP types because they believe that the corporations, allowed to prosper as much as possible, will give us poor slobs (you know, people) jobs, and then we can kiss their asses forever...or they can take away our jobs. Essentially the crux of the argument is this: a corporation can reward someone with a job and with pay because they deserve it, or because the corporation feels like it, freely. Using tax dollars to provide welfare or anything else to people is morally wrong because we can't all choose whether or not to participate.

    It's not fair! <stamps foot>

    I like to point out that Monopoly is completely fair. Everyone starts with the same money, the same dice, the same board. And every single time, the same thing happens. Before too long, somebody has so much property and wealth that they cannot be beaten. The game ends when money stops circulating. The different between reality and Monopoly is, that is actually the object of Monopoly. If the wealth concentration gets too great in reality, we don't start over. You do not win. What happens is, we're all fucked.

    Taxes are the answer to our problems. Progressive tax rates that top 90%, as they did in the 1950's, are the only way to prevent wealth concentration from destroying our society. It is the only mechanism that effectively counteracts the effects of wealth on our political system, by limiting how concentrated wealth can become. Concentrated wealth IS concentrated power. They are the same thing. Concentrated wealth, therefore, is anathema to democracy.

    Our economy and government exist to make our lives better. Americans have lost sight of that. Government is supposed to have a PURPOSE. And it isn't as simple as making sure people follow the rules. It's to SERVE CIVILIZATION. To make us stronger, to promote growth-- REAL growth --and development. To provide a mechanism for resolving disputes and making decisions, so we can live together without killing each other.
    I agree with BigLeRoy. Well put. May I copy and use this elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Or dihydrogen monoxide. Nasty stuff.
    People all over just waste it like you wouldn't believe. Some even ingest it and die from it.
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    Way too much regulation...

    Breaking: major contamenant has effected the 300,000 residents of Corpus Christie Tx. Residents are warned not to use tap water for any reason.


    Residents of Corpus Christi in Texas should avoid using tap water due to a possible contamination by an unknown chemical, officials said. The incident occurred late Wednesday and was caused by a recent back-flow incident in the area's industrial district, according to a city news release.

    Officials recommend not using tap water at all until results can confirm its safety as a precaution. Residents are advised to use only bottled water.

    "Only bottled water should be used for all drinking, beverage and food preparation (including baby formula and juice), making ice, brushing teeth, washing dishes or clothes, washing hands, and bathing until further notice," the release states.

    Residents are advised not to try to boil the water or treat it any other way.

    The City of Corpus Christi received a call about dirty water near the downtown area in the afternoon, city spokeswoman Kim Womack said. Crews investigating traced it back to an area between two industrial companies, which the city is not naming at this time. It appears that a backflow preventer either failed or was inadequate.

    The chemical in question is an oil-based petroleum chemical, city spokeswoman Kim Womack said. The city has consulted with Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the substance is not poisonous and is not expected to be a health hazard, she said. She added that the city is working with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and the CDC
    Officials in Corpus Christi, Texas: Don't drink or use tap water
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    Yeah, you know, people who claim that America has too MUCH regulation should be REQUIRED to explain the tawdry tale of the Peanut Corporation of America.

    Because they were KILLING Americans........
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    You know what we have? Too much regulation in this country. It hurts businesses. That's bad, mkay.

    Google Dallas Pension. This is what happens over and over and over and over.... when you let sharks babysit your wealth, allow them to regulate themselves, vote yourselves into the palms of your economic betters.

    I'm so nauseated by the never-ending capacity of American idiots to vote against their own economic interests, I don't even have words anymore. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET? Before people will wake up and realize they're literally giving away their freedom one dollar at a time? I really, really do not get it.
    This is actually a bit of a myth. And I have the numbers to back it up. I posted this about a year ago - and it still applies.

    Regulations have minimal impact on jobs. Don't take my word for it... When businesses have layoffs, they report the reasons to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Out of 2,123 layoff events tracked in 2012, five of them listed "government regulations" as a reason. Five. That's less than 0.25%.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/mslo.t02.htm

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    The data is from 2012, but I doubt you'll find anything significantly different. So let's not pretend that over-regulation is the boogeyman behind layoffs.

    Not unless you can find BJS statistics that back up the claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Yeah, you know, people who claim that America has too MUCH regulation should be REQUIRED to explain the tawdry tale of the Peanut Corporation of America.

    Because they were KILLING Americans........
    Well it is a three step process, regulation, inspection and enforcement. It would appear that in the Peanut Corporation of America case it was lack of inspection.

    I will accept that you consider the three to be like the Christian's one god. (See what I did there?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    This is actually a bit of a myth. And I have the numbers to back it up. I posted this about a year ago - and it still applies.

    Regulations have minimal impact on jobs. Don't take my word for it... When businesses have layoffs, they report the reasons to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Out of 2,123 layoff events tracked in 2012, five of them listed "government regulations" as a reason. Five. That's less than 0.25%.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/mslo.t02.htm

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    The data is from 2012, but I doubt you'll find anything significantly different. So let's not pretend that over-regulation is the boogeyman behind layoffs.

    Not unless you can find BJS statistics that back up the claim.
    Sarcasm is a thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Well it is a three step process, regulation, inspection and enforcement. It would appear that in the Peanut Corporation of America case it was lack of inspection.

    I will accept that you consider the three to be like the Christian's one god. (See what I did there?)
    Yeah, I guess it was sorta like Alan Greenspam's belief that the banking industry could "self-regulate". In this case, surely we can rely on all our food companies to "self-inspect"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    This is actually a bit of a myth. And I have the numbers to back it up.
    By the way, that wonderful H.L. Mencken quote in your signature:

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    - H.L. Mencken

    Do you think that first came true in 2000? Or in 2016? Did Mencken ever think it would happen TWICE? In less than TWO DECADES??
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    You know what we have? Too much regulation in this country. It hurts businesses. That's bad, mkay.

    Google Dallas Pension. This is what happens over and over and over and over.... when you let sharks babysit your wealth, allow them to regulate themselves, vote yourselves into the palms of your economic betters.

    I'm so nauseated by the never-ending capacity of American idiots to vote against their own economic interests, I don't even have words anymore. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET? Before people will wake up and realize they're literally giving away their freedom one dollar at a time? I really, really do not get it.
    Pensions? The problem with pensions is not "too much regulation." The problem with pensions is that pensions are fundamentally idiotic and abusive at their core. They're a bad concept. They need to go away permanently. And not only that, they need to go away permanently without inflicting long-term pension liabilities on non-pensioners.

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