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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    I don't know what more Obama could have done to tamp down economic growth. Hundreds of billions in new taxes to fund Obamacare, jacked up taxes on small business owners, obamacare mandates that cost employers heavily to continue to provide health care benefits, the failed carbon credit push, thousands of pages of new regs to increase energy cost, huge compliance costs with Frank-Dodd, all inflicting despair for business leaders and employers, who just like Intel scrapped plans of capital investment.

    The economy wasn't growing so there was no good way to grow your business, and no need for capital investment. Profits were banked or used for stock buybacks in the stagnation of the Obamaconomy. Obama's FED made money nearly free, but still investing with the uncertainty and lack of leadership of the Obamaconomy made investing way too risky.
    Um, gee, energy costs PLUMMETED under Obama. Some of us remember the $5 a gallon gasoline during the summer of 2008. Tell us, who was President then? Gasoline is currently going for right around $2 a gallon in my neck of the woods. And there is NO understanding on your part that having 45 million people without health insurance imposes HUGE costs on the American economy.

    How could the stock market have been so WILDLY WRONG during the eight years of Obama, Libertine?

    Because that IS, in FACT, what you are claiming: That the millions and millions of investors who put their money into the stock market during the Obama years were just plain fucking WRONG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Um, gee, energy costs PLUMMETED under Obama. Some of us remember the $5 a gallon gasoline during the summer of 2008. Tell us, who was President then? Gasoline is currently going for right around $2 a gallon in my neck of the woods. And there is NO understanding on your part that having 45 million people without health insurance imposes HUGE costs on the American economy.

    How could the stock market have been so WILDLY WRONG during the eight years of Obama, Libertine?

    Because that IS, in FACT, what you are claiming: That the millions and millions of investors who put their money into the stock market during the Obama years were just plain fucking WRONG.
    Investors being forced to put cash in the stock market because of 8 years of zero interest rates is not the same thing as capital investment.

    Very few companies were investing significantly in capital equipment with the no growth markets of Obamaconomy.

    You may have bought some stock in Intel or Carrier, and their stock price may have went up from increased demand, but Intel moth-balled its new plant under construction and Carrier closed plants and moved production to Mexico.

    That is changing now, and the capital investments will push productivity up.
    Capex: US companies spending on equipment and hiring

    Executives on fourth-quarter earnings calls discussed business investment far more than they did tax reform, deregulation, interest rates or trade, according to analysis made of calls between Jan. 1 and Feb. 2 by AlphaSense, a financial search engine.

    Phrases related to capital spending such as "capital expenditure," "capex," and "investing in research and development" had 1,027 mentions, the analysis of 221 S&P 500 companies showed. Tax-related terms appeared 639 times, interest rates were discussed 353 times, trade policy had 108 mentions and deregulation had 59 mentions, the study found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Investors being forced to put cash in the stock market because of 8 years of zero interest rates is not the same thing as capital investment.

    Very few companies were investing significantly in capital equipment with the no growth markets of Obamaconomy.

    You may have bought some stock in Intel or Carrier, and their stock price may have went up from increased demand, but Intel moth-balled its new plant under construction and Carrier closed plants and moved production to Mexico.

    That is changing now, and the capital investments will push productivity up.
    Capex: US companies spending on equipment and hiring


    Your graph certainly does NOT show any alarming fall in capital expenditures under Obama. In fact, while the average amount of capital expenditures might have been about the same under Obama as under Bush, it was certainly a LOT more erratic under Bush. And dipped substantially LOWER, too, I might add.

    Oops. That may not have been the graph you were looking for.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Your graph certainly does NOT show any alarming fall in capital expenditures under Obama. In fact, while the average amount of capital expenditures might have been about the same under Obama as under Bush, it was certainly a LOT more erratic under Bush. And dipped substantially LOWER, too, I might add.

    Oops. That may not have been the graph you were looking for.......
    The 30% under Obama isn't significant to you?

    The early 2000s were the peak of the rush to China. Businesses were using their capital to build factories in China.

    Do you understand the difference between the stock market and capital investment now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Link???
    If YOU don't know what YOU have posted on this forum, I can't help you.

    You can start by reviewing post #9 on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    If YOU don't know what YOU have posted on this forum, I can't help you.

    You can start by reviewing post #9 on this thread.
    Yeah, I did. I think you need to review that post, actually. Because here is the FIRST sentence in that post:

    I've never said I'm 'smarter' than anyone here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    The 30% under Obama isn't significant to you?

    The early 2000s were the peak of the rush to China. Businesses were using their capital to build factories in China.

    Do you understand the difference between the stock market and capital investment now?
    Where are you coming up with this 30% number???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Yeah, I did. I think you need to review that post, actually. Because here is the FIRST sentence in that post:

    I've never said I'm 'smarter' than anyone here.
    Which was immediately contradicted by the SECOND sentence in that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Which was immediately contradicted by the SECOND sentence in that post.
    No. No, the second sentence in that post is what is commonly known as a FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    No. No, the second sentence in that post is what is commonly known as a FACT.
    You so funny...

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