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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Can I say "Hey Flippy, some kid just threw up in the mens' restroom; grab a mop, would'ya?"
    You don't have self-cleaning bathrooms yet? What is this, 2017?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I don't think anyone thinks they will replace all humans. They will just lower the number needed. When I worked fast food in high school, the fryer had an attendant. One who loaded it, put it down and then raised it when the time was up. Now the new fryers just need a human to put the food in the basket and push a button. So normally the cook or the drive thru person does that as well. Eliminated a position. This will be similar, Flippy will aid them and if "it" needs assistance there will be a human there to throw a burger in the machine.
    But Carl's Jr's system doesn't even need to flip the burger.

    Honestly, when Jack in the Box had that e-coli scare I figured they'd switch to the same system.

    The conveyor is timed through the broiler and unless that burger is made of asbestos it has to be done at the other end, it's fool-proof, no need to probe each patty with a thermometer and other such needless effort.

    Getting robots to replace even menial tasks can be a challenge, I guess a phrase that fits here is: "shit happens."

    I tooled-up four units, it took me two months to get each tooled and programmed and I also had to tack on about $10,000 worth of extra equipment like passage confirmation sensors...

    Sensors and Machine Vision Systems for Factory Automation | KEYENCE America

    And even then they needed an attendant.

    It depends very much on what you need it to do, even today, tasks much beyond what is called "pick and place" can be difficult.

    But, how many businesses have been effected by automation already?

    Someone mentioned clerical work, one of the first casualties of automation from way back in the 50s and 60s and beyond.

    It's called "progress" folks, a mind, a life is a terrible thing to waste, people need better jobs than plowing fields and flipping burgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    If you ever worked fast food, you know that the "chef" or "cook" makes a bit more than the entry level order taker. Imagine a thing like this will alleviate the need for the higher paying position and allow the minimum wage earner to step up as needed from time to time. Or maybe the manager will be the responsible one?
    What do you base that on? I worked at Hardees, in Elizabethtown, Kentucky back when I was a young, dumb, 1LT with a Corvette payment to make each month. First the term "cook" isn't what I would use to describe what I did. However, I digress. There were three people in the restaurant late at night. Front line, back line, and shift supervisor or shift lead. Trust me, I wasn't paid any more than the girl working the front. She dealt with the customers, I dealt with the food. I still here that bump-pa-da-bah in my sleep from the order screen and that was way back in the early 90's.

    FYI - Hardees doesn't flip its burgers. Both the 10/1 and 4/1 are cooked without being flipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Why...do you enjoy watching people starve? You must really get a kick out of watching homeless people beg on the streets. Automation is already in the coal mines...and have been for years. It is disheartening to watch Democrats develop the same mindset of the GOP...I got mine...fuck the rest. Dems used to be the champions of people...today it is only a select handful of people they care about.
    Why... do you enjoy watching people die of black lung?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Many ATMs are not at the bank's actual location. In addition, ATM's are open 24/7/365. The bank? Not so much. I hear your frustration in this but no one is talking about replacing the chef at the five star restaurant. This is designed to replace the $10 per hour worker at the hamburger chain.
    Again - I don't see how this robot provides much a service. Burger-cooking at fast food restaurants is already automated. As I mentioned, I can testify that thirty years ago, cooking burgers consisted of putting burgers on an oven conveyor. And either the same person, or someone else, would grab the cooked burgers on the other side, and take care of burger buns and condiments. The robot performs only two tasks; flipping burgers, and putting the cooked burger on a bun. Its mechanics and programming prohibit it from doing anything else. It can't be trained to perform additional tasks. It can't handle any process irregularities.

    It's a novelty - and I'm willing to wager that ten years from now, very few of us will see one of these robots working at a local fast-food restaurant.

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    Japan and China have already automated their fast food restaurants. They need way fewer than US stores do. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us in robotics. Canada has these odd kiosk machines, automats, which look like vending machines. Looks like the 1950s.. Kind of creepy.

    The Fast-Food Restaurants That Require Few Human Workers : All Tech Considered : NPR
    Fully automated fast-food restaurant opens in San Francisco
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    What do you base that on? I worked at Hardees, in Elizabethtown, Kentucky back when I was a young, dumb, 1LT with a Corvette payment to make each month. First the term "cook" isn't what I would use to describe what I did. However, I digress. There were three people in the restaurant late at night. Front line, back line, and shift supervisor or shift lead. Trust me, I wasn't paid any more than the girl working the front. She dealt with the customers, I dealt with the food. I still here that bump-pa-da-bah in my sleep from the order screen and that was way back in the early 90's.
    I'm told that when I was about five years old, after eating at a McDonald's, I returned to the counter and asked the cashier to "give my compliments to the chef." Apparently I'd heard the phrase somewhere and I'd really enjoyed my meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    What do you base that on? I worked at Hardees, in Elizabethtown, Kentucky back when I was a young, dumb, 1LT with a Corvette payment to make each month. First the term "cook" isn't what I would use to describe what I did. However, I digress. There were three people in the restaurant late at night. Front line, back line, and shift supervisor or shift lead. Trust me, I wasn't paid any more than the girl working the front. She dealt with the customers, I dealt with the food. I still here that bump-pa-da-bah in my sleep from the order screen and that was way back in the early 90's.

    FYI - Hardees doesn't flip its burgers. Both the 10/1 and 4/1 are cooked without being flipped.
    Both myself and my son have worked at McDonalds during high school and in both cases, everyone had a different pay rate. Entry level people that made min wage did the custodial tasks or did the condiments. A "promotion" was a bit more pay to work the counter or drive thru. Then another bump to actually man the cooking apparatus ("cook"). Then there was an overall manager. We also had a shift leader which was usually the senior most employee during that shift. We had some overlap, but the entry level weren't able to until they had been there awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Why...do you enjoy watching people starve? You must really get a kick out of watching homeless people beg on the streets. Automation is already in the coal mines...and have been for years. It is disheartening to watch Democrats develop the same mindset of the GOP...I got mine...fuck the rest. Dems used to be the champions of people...today it is only a select handful of people they care about.
    This is ridiculous, those very same people that want those jobs and fight for coal because it suits them, conveniently make everybody else to suffer because they are stupid and hateful, they need to get theirs, screw everybody else. Like a coal mining job requires any more skill than service industry that they fight against min wage increases and think they are unworthy. They are hypocrites. They deserve to experience what they allow republicans to do to other people.

    Liberals don't want anybody to suffer, but the people that make others suffer because they lack any empathy, its kind of justice to see them get a taste of what other people experience because they allow republicans to sell the country out to corporations while they cheerlead it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Again - I don't see how this robot provides much a service. Burger-cooking at fast food restaurants is already automated. As I mentioned, I can testify that thirty years ago, cooking burgers consisted of putting burgers on an oven conveyor. And either the same person, or someone else, would grab the cooked burgers on the other side, and take care of burger buns and condiments. The robot performs only two tasks; flipping burgers, and putting the cooked burger on a bun. Its mechanics and programming prohibit it from doing anything else. It can't be trained to perform additional tasks. It can't handle any process irregularities.

    It's a novelty - and I'm willing to wager that ten years from now, very few of us will see one of these robots working at a local fast-food restaurant.
    Well clearly it's some engineering startup project partially done to see if they could. I wouldn't be so sure about that bet though. In my opinion, this isn't really the design solution to an automatically prepared burger, but the idea that robotics aren't going to work their way into all kinds of businesses is a bit naÔve in my opinion. Sure, entire kitchens won't be replaced by robots overnight. I'm sure people mocked the burger conveyor belt oven when it was first introduced. Once people got used to the idea of never having to worry about a burned burger, they accepted it. I'm sure someone comes up with an industrial sized Roomba that cleans puke off a tile floor, they'll get used to that too.
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