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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    A large percentage of NYC taxis are now Camrys. With respect to small-mid sized sedans the market is screaming the results. Accord/Civic Camry/Corolla are the benchmarks. American consumers aren't stupid, and neither are the IQS reports, Consumer Reports, etc. Buy what you want to buy of course, but Toyota and Honda are really the best ones and frankly VW isn't. They are the world's largest by volume mostly due to acquisition.

    As for safety VW has many models that get 5 stars from the NHTSA, but Toyota has more.
    They voted for Trump.

    5 stars from the NHTSA won't keep you from hydroplaning on wet freeways or wet leaves.
    Try finding an Accord or Camry with a manual transmission.
    I don't know if it is true but I read an article that said 50% of American adults live alone. Why do so many Accords and Camrys come with 4 doors? Volkswagen owners are less likely to be sheeple. All those here on PH who own a Volkswagen are freakin rad. It's nice to see women write about turbochargers and horsepower. Women who own a Volkswagen are a lot more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakypete View Post
    YOU tell ME to "STFU" WHILE POSTING AN OFF-TOPIC POST and then report me for an infraction when I respond in kind?

    Hypocrisy much?
    I did not report you. I seldom report anyone.

    Now, to be on topic, I have owned two Volkswagens in my days. I owned a 73 Beetle and a old, VW Van. They did alright, nothing special, but alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister B View Post
    You do know Mercedes owned Chrysler before Fiat?
    Chrysler is like the bad penny that keeps showing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    The Clean Air Act specifically prohibits defeat devices and VW knew this.[/quote) If European governments allow engines to be 'optimized' for tests so be it, but this isn't engine optimization, this is software recognizing its being tested and then changing the output.

    VW did not install this on all of its vehicles.
    Only on 11 million cars. I calculated 600 billion Dollars costs for VW if everyone worldwide is doing what the USA did. Fortunately only the USA uses this tests.

    As for getting away with it, they got away with it for some time.

    No sense to pull out of US market now, they have Chattanooga
    What to do with Chattanooga, if VW leaves the USA? Hmm ... - What about Opel? They are a French company now.

    and Puebla in Mexico
    This problem has nothing to do with Mexico as long as VW builds not cars, which jump over walls.

    and I don't think VW's sales are down that badly even given the loss of TDI.
    Hopefully the sales are much downer - every car VW sells in the USA is an unpredictable risk.

    The diesel emissions scandal is a sunk cost. VW still has a strong presence in Mexico, Canada and VW is huge in Brasil and that, collectively of course, isn't unimportant.
    I spoke about US-America - no one else.

    Furthermore, even though VW doesn't do well relatively speaking when compared with other brands, that doesn't mean even the smaller share of an overall large market isn't worth having.

    On top of which, in the US market, VW runs hot and cold, feast or famine. Pull out and perhaps moss the next feast. Make no mistake about it, VW can pull on some nostalgic heart strings, they absolutely do have a fan base.
    The US-market is less than unimportant for VW.

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    VW sells about half a million cars, Audi nearly 200,000 and there's Porsche, Bentley, etc. Its not 'unimportant' -- there are other markets more important but its not just the US market. The markets aren't isolated from each other.

    They're selling Puebla-assembled cars in China, South America and California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    VW sells about half a million cars ...
    Even in good times they sold only a little more than 300,000 cars in the USA - I hope they sell much less now. As I said: Every car VW sells in the USA is a risk for VW. VW should reduce the salary of the management in Germany for every car they sell in the USA.

    ... They're selling Puebla-assembled cars in China, South America and California.
    VW should stop to sell cars in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    Even in good times they sold only a little more than 300,000 cars in the USA - I hope they sell much less now. As I said: Every car VW sells in the USA is a risk for VW. VW should reduce the salary of the management in Germany for every car they sell in the USA.



    VW should stop to sell cars in California.

    In 2014 they sold over 800k cars in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    Even in good times they sold only a little more than 300,000 cars in the USA - I hope they sell much less now. As I said: Every car VW sells in the USA is a risk for VW. VW should reduce the salary of the management in Germany for every car they sell in the USA.



    VW should stop to sell cars in California.

    Why? I love mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    In 2014 they sold over 800k cars in the US
    In June 2014 VW sold 22% less cars than in June 2013. It was the same level as in 2011. 15th time in series they sold less cars. It were 28800 cars in June, 2014. I guess that's in total less than 300-350,000 cars a year. It's nearly completely unimportant what VW is doing in the USA. VW wastes money in the USA since a very very long time now. In the moment they pay about 20 billion for nothing for example. This are costs of about $6500 for every car, which they will sell in the next 10 years. They should leave the USA and forget this disaster including the USA forever. Perhaps they can give their workers of Chattanooga in other places of the world new jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Why?
    See what I said here above.

    I love mine.
    I said not VW makes bad cars. I'm also convinced Diesels will still have a long future in family cars. Electromobility has still lots of unsolved problems. Congrats by the way to the University of Texas and John Goodenough. I heard they did it: They made a sodium-glas-accumulator. Very interesting technology, indeed, isn't it? Take a look here if you like to know more

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