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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    I bet they did. I think VW has definitely done right by the people affected by this. I wonder how many would not buy another VW? I know I will for sure when the time comes.
    I loved my 2014 V-6 Passat. Damn thing would FLY,and was unbelievably comfortable and also handled very well. I'd love to have another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakypete View Post
    Why would VW want to start building shit cars and go into bankruptcy?

    The last time Fiat built good cars was never.
    They are dead last when it comes to reliability. DEAD LAST. I definitely hope this merger does not happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakypete View Post
    I loved my 2014 V-6 Passat. Damn thing would FLY,and was unbelievably comfortable and also handled very well. I'd love to have another one.
    So go get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    They are dead last when it comes to reliability. DEAD LAST. I definitely hope this merger does not happen.

    Originally Posted by Sneakypete View Post
    I loved my 2014 V-6 Passat. Damn thing would FLY,and was unbelievably comfortable and also handled very well. I'd love to have another one.



    So go get one.
    My 06 diesel pu is getting some age on it,so I needed a new pu,not a car. Just bought a new crew cab 4x4 full-sized Chevrolet truck a month ago. I have several antique cars I drive for pleasure,and can't justify buying a new car to only drive sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yeah, they are. Just not cars that you'd want to keep until they become maintenance nightmares.
    I used to collect old pocket watches. Every one of them required maintenance, even if it was just a cleaning.

    https://www.idonowidont.com/jewelry/...FdiKswodbEkOYw

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Interesting to watch this and see if it comes to fruition.

    Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE) Chief Executive Matthias Mueller said he did not rule out he could hold merger talks with Fiat Chrysler (FCHA.MI) boss Sergio Marchionne, in a marked change of tone by the German carmaker toward its Italian-American peer.

    "I am not ruling out a conversation," Mueller told journalists after VW's annual results news conference. Marchionne has long advocated car industry mergers to share the costs of making cleaner and more technologically advanced vehicles and has repeatedly relayed his desire via the media.


    Volkswagen CEO says not ruling out merger talks with Fiat Chrysler | Reuters
    VW? Since decades they are wasting money in the USA. When will they ever learn and leave the USA? Oh by the way: When GM bought Opel in Germany 88 years ago, Opel was the biggest car manufacturer in Europe. Now GM sold this little company. And the most strange thing: no one protested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    I used to collect old pocket watches. Every one of them required maintenance, even if it was just a cleaning.

    https://www.idonowidont.com/jewelry/...FdiKswodbEkOYw
    Yes, I see the analogy. Owning an Audi is somewhat similar to owning an old, mechanical pocket watch.

    Truth be told, all cars (even Audis) are far more reliable today than they were only a few decades ago. Audi left a bad taste in my mouth back in the 1970s. Even a modern Fiat is surely more reliable than what they were back then. That said, I'd still be leery of purchasing a new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes, I see the analogy. Owning an Audi is somewhat similar to owning an old, mechanical pocket watch.

    Truth be told, all cars (even Audis) are far more reliable today than they were only a few decades ago. Audi left a bad taste in my mouth back in the 1970s. Even a modern Fiat is surely more reliable than what they were back then. That said, I'd still be leery of purchasing a new one.
    Me,too,but the contrary part of my character keeps lusting after a Fiat 500. I also love Mini-Coopers,another box on skate wheels with horrible reliability problems. Can't even explain why I like them,either. They are not safe,fast,comfortable,reliable,and don't get enough additional MPG to justify owning one. I guess one would make a lot of sense if you lived in a big city with limited parking space and you had to park on a curb somewhere,but that doesn't apply to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Well sure, their sales are good. ...
    A market share of 2% is not good. If I remember well GM had a market share of about 15% in Germany before it sold Opel. Wonder why ... whatever: their decision. VW has here about 20%. And the cars of VW are very expensive in Germany. Looks like everywhere else in the world their cars are cheaper - specially in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakypete View Post
    Me,too,but the contrary part of my character keeps lusting after a Fiat 500. I also love Mini-Coopers,another box on skate wheels with horrible reliability problems. Can't even explain why I like them,either. They are not safe,fast,comfortable,reliable,and don't get enough additional MPG to justify owning one. I guess one would make a lot of sense if you lived in a big city with limited parking space and you had to park on a curb somewhere,but that doesn't apply to me.
    Most of the reliability issues with small cars these days are due to turbochargers. It's a cheap way to squeeze more HP out of a tiny, lightweight engine, but it's also an additional system to fail, and it exposes a car's engine oil to extremely high temperatures. You can get Minis that aren't turbocharged, if you're looking for long-term reliability. If you want a turbo, then plan on buying new and selling after about three years. Same with a hybrid. You don't want to keep one long enough to have to replace the battery. Buy it new and dump it before it becomes a maintenance nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    A market share of 2% is not good. GM had a market share of about 15% in Germany when it sold Opel. VW has here 20%.
    Recent VW sales in the US have been strong. You should simply admit that you're wrong about this.

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