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    I can get anything off Amazon I want, using Prime -- which also offers me the best steaming channel on Roku. Even has a great selection of its own, original programming.

    For $12/mo, and even less, if I pay 12 mos. in advance.

    Bezos has said he doesn't see that price going up even as Amazon moves from 2 day to 2 hour delivery.....but the notion baffles me. How could that be?

    And yet, once again, smart people seem to agree he can sustain those shipping rates.

    I can literally buy an entire kitchen appliance set off Amazon and pay NOTHING above my $12/mo. rate to have them delivered TODAY. I can't even begin to imagine how he's accomplishing THAT.

    I get deliveries now on Sundays, holidays, etc. as a matter of routine, and this stuff is NOT coming UPS or USPS. It has no shipping labels on the boxes at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I can get anything off Amazon I want, using Prime -- which also offers me the best steaming channel on Roku. Even has a great selection of its own, original programming.

    For $12/mo, and even less, if I pay 12 mos. in advance.

    Bezos has said he doesn't see that price going up even as Amazon moves from 2 day to 2 hour delivery.....but the notion baffles me. How could that be?

    And yet, once again, smart people seem to agree he can sustain those shipping rates.

    I can literally buy an entire kitchen appliance set off Amazon and pay NOTHING above my $12/mo. rate to have them delivered TODAY. I can't even begin to imagine how he's accomplishing THAT.

    I get deliveries now on Sundays, holidays, etc. as a matter of routine, and this stuff is NOT coming UPS or USPS. It has no shipping labels on the boxes at all.
    Let's be factually correct here. You cannot buy anything that you want off Amazon and not pay shipping even if you are an Amazon Prime member. You can only purchase things that are eligible for Prime Shipping to receive free shipping. Those are the items that are what is referred to as FBA (Fulfilled by Amazon). Now, I'm not knocking Amazon Prime. I'm a member. It comes with many other perks such as Prime Reading, Prime Video, Prime Music, and yes, the Prime Shipping. Another little used feature is Prime Pantry. I love getting a box of groceries shipped to my front porch.

    Amazon ships with USPS. The label on the outside of the box that has your address and the bar code is actually the shipping label. Amazon does pay for postage, if you are purchasing something that is Fulfilled by Amazon. If you are buying from a 3rd Party Seller, they can ship however they wish.

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    One more thing: this changes the position the US is in, as regards the Boomer population bomb and immigration. Due to climate change, the US population is estimated to rise to 500 million by 2050. By 2025, about half of all Americans will be over age 65.

    So, everything I argued on threads like these is now altered drastically by the impact of Amazon and robotics generally, and I have no idea in what way or by how much.

    The Tax Impact Of Undocumented People

    The Boomers, The Future & You

    There are some wicked smart people on PH, and they contributed well to both those threads, so they are worth a quick scan, I think.

    Ay ye ye!
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    Amazon pilots complaining should be a heads up for all those who fly because the industry treats these highly responsable pilots like truck drivers. Your next flight ask how many hours your pilot has been flying (they'll tell you it's all perfectly safe, until it crashes and then blame it on the pilot, not much help for the ill-fated passengers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Amazon pilots complaining should be a heads up for all those who fly because the industry treats these highly responsable pilots like truck drivers. Your next flight ask how many hours your pilot has been flying (they'll tell you it's all perfectly safe, until it crashes and then blame it on the pilot, not much help for the ill-fated passengers).
    Do you know anything about pilots and the number of hours they are allowed to fly? You are aware that there are specific laws about how many hours a pilot can work and there are these things called logs. Tracks every hour a pilot flies. Posts like this demonstrate ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Do you know anything about pilots and the number of hours they are allowed to fly? You are aware that there are specific laws about how many hours a pilot can work and there are these things called logs. Tracks every hour a pilot flies. Posts like this demonstrate ignorance.
    They have rules for truck drivers too. Doesn't mean the company doesn't break them. Hey ignorance? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    They have rules for truck drivers too. Doesn't mean the company doesn't break them. Hey ignorance? Really?
    Yes, ignorance. Do you think that pilots of airlines are flying in excess of the laws? Like I said, you don't have a clue. None. Every flight is logged not just in a paper log book but in flight plans filed with the FAA. I'll tell you what. Here's your chance, show the forum that your post wasn't ignorant. Post links that shows pilots flying in excess of FAA allowed hours. Do you even know what the FAA allowed hours are? Do you know where to find them? Like I said, demonstrate that your post wasn't ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Yes, ignorance. Do you think that pilots of airlines are flying in excess of the laws? Like I said, you don't have a clue. None. Every flight is logged not just in a paper log book but in flight plans filed with the FAA. I'll tell you what. Here's your chance, show the forum that your post wasn't ignorant. Post links that shows pilots flying in excess of FAA allowed hours. Do you even know what the FAA allowed hours are? Do you know where to find them? Like I said, demonstrate that your post wasn't ignorant.

    Hmm Ok they do seem to have changed the rules in 2014 (I don't get out much) although there does now seem to be a case for depression adversely affecting their performance. Hundreds of pilots worldwide do not report, seek treatment for depression, study finds - CBS News. I stand corrected, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    They have rules for truck drivers too. Doesn't mean the company doesn't break them. Hey ignorance? Really?
    Truckers routinely fudge their log books to avoid mandated rest periods.

    Cheers,

    Bourne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Truckers routinely fudge their log books to avoid mandated rest periods.

    Cheers,

    Bourne
    Yes, that is true... For those few drivers still using paper log books. Considering that most trucks, especially company drivers are using electronic logs that may be a little difficult these days.

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