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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Really? Really?!
    I'm basing that on the oft-heard claim that there was a 'consensus' back in the 1970's that the Earth was headed for another Ice Age. There was, of course, no such consensus. Nothing even remotely like the consensus that exists today on AGW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Yep, they came out commercially about the same time as solar panels. I have computers in my home and office, but no solar panels on my roof, they are much too expensive.
    These panels cost under eight dollars a square meter, are made from recyclable material, are printed, and are now being tested.

    These game-changing solar panels are cheap and can be printed
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    Hilariously uninformed, as per usual.
    If solar PV was economical and feasible, I would have them on my home.

    I don't have them for the same reason you don't, it is foolish to spend $40,000 on a solar PV system that saves only $2,000 a year in electricity.
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    Remember, Trump is going to bring back the coal mining jobs.

    Oh, and build a wall, and rebuild infrastructure, and repeal and replace, and and and....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    If solar PV was economical and feasible, I would have them on my home.

    I don't have them for the same reason you don't, it is foolish to spend $40,000 on a solar PV system that saves only $2,000 a year in electricity.
    But the price has come down astronomically, it's now just 35000.

    And you get back 2100$/year.

    I'm being snarky...

    Solar systems ideal setup, at the moment, is for individuals to make that kind of investment that amounts to prepay for electricity... if you save or lose 5-10% of the cost over 20 years, it's not a huge issue, and the replacement is cheaper than the initial install.

    However, with these massive grid scale projects, if the project loses 5% over 20 years when equipment starts needing replacement, the whole project will just shut down as unfeasible.

    Not to mention, I don't see how making electricity more expensive (which spreads through the economy) is going to help the poorest??? I mean, like with ethanol mandates, that surge in food prices saw an increase in people dying from starvation increase ending a trend of decreasing starvation rates (I know, can't do a direct attribution, but the timing is notable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    But the price has come down astronomically, it's now just 35000.

    And you get back 2100$/year.

    I'm being snarky...

    Solar systems ideal setup, at the moment, is for individuals to make that kind of investment that amounts to prepay for electricity... if you save or lose 5-10% of the cost over 20 years, it's not a huge issue, and the replacement is cheaper than the initial install.

    However, with these massive grid scale projects, if the project loses 5% over 20 years when equipment starts needing replacement, the whole project will just shut down as unfeasible.

    Not to mention, I don't see how making electricity more expensive (which spreads through the economy) is going to help the poorest??? I mean, like with ethanol mandates, that surge in food prices saw an increase in people dying from starvation increase ending a trend of decreasing starvation rates (I know, can't do a direct attribution, but the timing is notable)
    Like pharmaceutical companies arbitrarily raising the price of drugs spreading through the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    If solar PV was economical and feasible, I would have them on my home.

    I don't have them for the same reason you don't, it is foolish to spend $40,000 on a solar PV system that saves only $2,000 a year in electricity.
    In a few years, that system will be $10,000.

    What then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    In a few years, that system will be $10,000.

    What then?
    That's only because 25k of the overall price will be covered by tax money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    That's only because 25k of the overall price will be covered by tax money.
    No, I don't think so. And, as you've had it explained to you many and many a time, fossil fuels are MUCH more heavily subsidized than solar or wind. Them's just the facts, Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    No, I don't think so. And, as you've had it explained to you many and many a time, fossil fuels are MUCH more heavily subsidized than solar or wind. Them's just the facts, Jack.
    Not after the Paris accord.

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