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    Not after the Paris accord.
    which we just pulled out of.

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    which we just pulled out of.
    Remember, some of your states went rogue and are going to follow the accord in spite of what trump did.

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    Remember, some of your states went rogue and are going to follow the accord in spite of what trump did.
    Right, some of them do support states' rights. What has that to do with stopping the subsidy of fossil fuels?

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    Right, some of them do support states' rights. What has that to do with stopping the subsidy of fossil fuels?
    I love how selective you guys are for support of states rights. .. bet you don't even realize what I mean.

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    If solar PV was economical and feasible, I would have them on my home.

    I don't have them for the same reason you don't, it is foolish to spend $40,000 on a solar PV system that saves only $2,000 a year in electricity.
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    In a few years, that system will be $10,000.

    What then?
    I will wait for it to cost $4,000 for a 2 year payback.

    I would go $5k if it includes storage so I could remove the unsightly utility poles and lines from property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I love how selective you guys are for support of states rights. .. bet you don't even realize what I mean.
    Actually, I'm only one guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    I will wait for it to cost $4,000 for a 2 year payback.

    I would go $5k if it includes storage so I could remove the unsightly utility poles and lines from property.
    Be very, very thankful the utility builders in the first place didn't use your economic criteria on whether to proceed or not.

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    Be very, very thankful the utility builders in the first place didn't use your economic criteria on whether to proceed or not.
    I don't really know what that means.

    The utilities where I live are all co-ops. The people who lived here banded together and built their own utility companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Sorry, I'll have to parse this too many times.



    1- true.

    2- the cost of the panels, yes. The efficiency of the panels, not quite so much. It's not so much the money you put in that matter, it's what you get for that cost that matters. Unfortunately, it's still not where it needs to be for anything more than small scale (on your home) production. The grid rules in most city centres do not even allow solar power for anything more than load shedding, because if any power goes back into the grid, it can cause catastrophic failures.

    3- one of the bigger factors is the heat... There are lots of groups scrambling for better methods to squeeze the next little bit of juice, unfortunately, the same conditions that make for ideal energy production also creates more heat which hurts the efficiency... That said, this isn't wrong, the technology is improving at a steady pace.

    4- are you talking installed price? The cost for the panels themselves? Or do you mean the value produced by the panels is better than that produced by fossil fuels? These are three concepts that you seem to use interchangeably through are various attempts at is topic.

    5- this one gets a little convoluted, yes, you are right. There will be a rush to solar power, yes, there will be lower costs. The thing is, that's being artificial reduction in the price, because countries around the world are taking tax money, and since they can't really get away with squandering the WHOLE THING they are putting tax money into these companies so that the prices are lowered. After the rush is over, then people will continue to rely on fossil fuels.

    6- there are more proven and untapped reserves today, with 40 years of usage, then there were then. Not to mention directional drilling methods and fracking (which I'm not a fan of, but it's part of the lease agreement that when a site is complete that it be returned to a condition as though they were not there, among other elements)

    7- he's the only one that backed out of the agreement because it was a screw job on your country... I'm actually pretty pissed that Trudeau is signing on. Do you just buy EVERYTIME someone gives you a pitch? Ever heard the saying "read the fine print"? Nah.

    8- yes, the cult has grown in power even though their influence is dwindling. That probably won't make sense to you, but it does to my red pilled peers.

    9- this one would actually be bad, this is a technology worth investing in, but it really is still at best 10-15 years away at the rate before it gets to where it needs to be, on both fronts, batteries, panels, transformers are like 90+% by design, inverters are similar... The tech that is really needed is superconductors operating at ambient temperatures... That would transform society radically.

    10- China builds like 3 coal power plants a week, and they don't even have to start with the efficiency standards for another 10 years... So, if they are also investing in solar, they at least have backup power. The rich like China because if their people get uppity they just gun them down and nobody talks about it... There are billions, so the government considers a few hundred dead a rounding error. Not exactly the society I want to look up to...

    11- because solar power plants, generally speaking, are only offering a positive return on investment because of subsidies. The technology is good and promising, it's just not where it needs to be for grid scale production beyond some geographical exceptions that have been tapped.

    12- you do know that trump is making contracts for billion dollar factories in the us, by getting rid of the bureaucracy, it becomes competitive with China, and then some entrepreneurs can take it from there, that's free market.

    13- it's not animus, it's just the technology is just not quite where it needs to be before it's worth investing on large grid scale projects. If you want to see what I'm talking about look into the results of "SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAY!!!".

    Believe me, I want the tech to be better, but there is a reason why at grid scale solar and wind power gets placed in "supplemental" category, where the contribution to the grid is only around the 15-20% of consumption. I've run through the numbers, the biggest issues are that the best locations... People don't live there.
    Don't have time today to respond to all these points, but.......it is NOT going to take 10 or 15 years for a mad rush to solar power to take place. Watch, and learn. Solar power is going to revolutionize the world economy within the next FIVE years. That's how fast the price is dropping. Solar jobs are growing in America at a rate that is 17 times faster (!!) than the overall growth rate of the American economy. One must wonder what it is about that statistic that you don't quite 'get'. And yes, I am primarily talking about the price of the panels. Does the phrase 'economies of scale' mean anything to you? Anything at ALL?!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Don't have time today to respond to all these points, but.......it is NOT going to take 10 or 15 years for a mad rush to solar power to take place. Watch, and learn. Solar power is going to revolutionize the world economy within the next FIVE years. That's how fast the price is dropping. Solar jobs are growing in America at a rate that is 17 times faster (!!) than the overall growth rate of the American economy. One must wonder what it is about that statistic that you don't quite 'get'. And yes, I am primarily talking about the price of the panels. Does the phrase 'economies of scale' mean anything to you? Anything at ALL?!??
    But, you see, Obama supported solar, and Trump must undo anything and everything that Obama did. Therefore, he must bring back those coal mining jobs. Now, had Obama been behind the horseless carriage, Trump would have to bring back the buggy whip.

    That's what it means to be a conservative, you see, stand in the way of anything that was ever supported by a Democrat anywhere. Meanwhile, repeat the mantra, Solyndra, Solyndra....
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