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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    I haven't really felt guilty because Amazon Prime delivers me so much, music, streaming TV, free 2 day shipping, reviews, etc. I pretty much buy everything on Amazon.

    The problem is, these companies can still make lots of money and be successful, drive out competition, make money for their shareholders, and pay their workers livable wages. THey are just greedy
    If it's a problem, stop rewarding them with your wallet by buying everything from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    They profit from the fact people shop there for the lowest priced goods. Lower prices from greater production efficiency means we can consume more than if prices were higher and production/delivery was less efficient. Consuming more generally means living standards are higher than if we were consuming less.

    The tagline here suggests the most successful retailers are inevitably going to always be regarded as nothing but a problem. This defies reality, because the vast majority of Americans are huge fans of Amazon, Costco and/or Walmart. The American people do not see the most successful retailers as nothing but a problem. They see the most successful retailers as their marketplace. The place where they go to get the things they need. They love the fact they can just go to their marketplace and conveniently get all the stuff they need.
    The impending death of old brick-and-mortar retailers like J.C. Penney's, Macy's, Sears & Roebuck, companies that have failed to adapt to the Internet Age, is simply another example of Schumpeterian creative destruction. Trying to stop it would be about as effective as trying to stop the tides. Amazon in particular is paving the way to a future in which most Americans (and maybe most people in the world) will soon be getting almost all the stuff they need simply delivered to their homes. Perhaps by drones. This will be VASTLY more energy-efficient than the more traditional ways of shopping. It will be a GOOD thing for helping to create a more sustainable civilization. We should applaud it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    The impending death of old brick-and-mortar retailers like J.C. Penney's, Macy's, Sears & Roebuck, companies that have failed to adapt to the Internet Age, is simply another example of Schumpeterian creative destruction. Trying to stop it would be about as effective as trying to stop the tides. Amazon in particular is paving the way to a future in which most Americans (and maybe most people in the world) will soon be getting almost all the stuff they need simply delivered to their homes. Perhaps by drones. This will be VASTLY more energy-efficient than the more traditional ways of shopping. It will be a GOOD thing for helping to create a more sustainable civilization. We should applaud it.
    But those poor, poor people who can no longer stock shelves, run the cashier station, and drive trucks through heavy urban and suburban traffic as they always dreamed they could one day do? All that fulfilling, soul-satisfying retail work, how could we deprive them of such a rewarding life? We mustn't let it happen. Let's stop progressing and preserve this way of life for those retail workers.
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    Chinese retail websites are only just starting to dip a toe into English language services. Websites like "Home.wish.com" are still unknown to a lot of people over 30 but my kids will never know what Amazon or E-Bay was. Trust me.

    I bought a leather wallet on there for 2.00. It's a leather wallet. Does everything a leather wallet should.

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    If you don't want these fridge magnets for 7 bucks CA$ - well - you and I are different people.

    https://home.wish.com/m/c/57fe0c199fc00f227b68b964

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I want the shopping districts full of hometown businesses back. I want to buy my tires from my neighbor.
    I think the hipster are bringing back the hometown merchant and services. I saw a report on how Malls are dying and the new retail space is a more eclectic mix use area of retail shops, entertainment and living in one area.

    The taco truck mentality is taking hold in young people. F- Mickey Ds ...cool food trucks and food courts are cutting into happy meal sales.

    Suburbia, the real death knell to small shops and local retail is dying itself. Kids are moving back to the cities and revitalizing old neighborhoods. Of course that is not good news for the poor, but their lots has always been a hard one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Chinese retail websites are only just starting to dip a toe into English language services. Websites like "Home.wish.com" are still unknown to a lot of people over 30 but my kids will never know what Amazon or E-Bay was. Trust me.

    I bought a leather wallet on there for 2.00. It's a leather wallet. Does everything a leather wallet should.
    Don't forget Aliexpress. Cheap but it takes a while for things to arrive like with Wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Don't forget Aliexpress. Cheap but it takes a while for things to arrive like with Wish.
    A couple items just never came. We asked to cancel and they just issue an immediate full refund. Immediate. Full. No 45 minute phone call to beg like a peasant. I guess there are things I'd pay 200% more for to come on time, but for novelty fridge magnets?

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    I order from Wish and AliExpress frequently. One time I received the wrong color of an item. They shipped me a new one and told me to keep the other one.

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    And obamanomics put a knife into the heart of the Middle class for 8 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG YEARS.

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