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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    We can build underwater, underground, straight up in the air and we can build housing in orbit.

    We have the technology to do all that.

    We can make all the water we need and farm enough to feed 10x the amount of people we currently have if not more.
    This poster has me on IGNORE, but this is simply MADNESS. No, we would not be able to feed 75 billion people on this planet. With 7.5 billion people right now, we are ALREADY in the midst of the sixth major mass extinction in the history of the planet. And that's on US. We are the ones doing it. Welcome to the Anthropocene.

    I doubt we would be able to double our current population without VERY BAD THINGS HAPPENING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    This poster has me on IGNORE, but this is simply MADNESS. No, we would not be able to feed 75 billion people on this planet. With 7.5 billion people right now, we are ALREADY in the midst of the sixth major mass extinction in the history of the planet. And that's on US. We are the ones doing it. Welcome to the Anthropocene.

    I doubt we would be able to double our current population without VERY BAD THINGS HAPPENING.
    We could if we learned to 3D print food. Otherwise, no,we can't. Famine will reduce our population.

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    Here's a TED talk (RIP Hans Rosling) which informs on overpopulation.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosli...ulation_growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Here's a TED talk (RIP Hans Rosling) which informs on overpopulation.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosli...ulation_growth
    Hans Rosling was quite right, and I've been saying the same thing for years, if not decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We could if we learned to 3D print food. Otherwise, no,we can't. Famine will reduce our population.
    I'm all for 3D printing of food (and human organs, and a whole host of other stuff), but even this would need a feedstock of some kind, maybe algae, to provide raw materials for the printers. By no means do I think we could grow enough algae to provide the feedstock to feed 75 billion people (which is what Spookycolt was suggesting).

    As a goal, I would suggest we try very hard to keep the maximum population below 10 billion. Anything more than that, and I think we would be at a very heightened risk of pandemics, for one thing; and there might be so much social STRESS from nations competing for resources, that it might well lead to major wars. No thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I'm all for 3D printing of food (and human organs, and a whole host of other stuff), but even this would need a feedstock of some kind, maybe algae, to provide raw materials for the printers. By no means do I think we could grow enough algae to provide the feedstock to feed 75 billion people (which is what Spookycolt was suggesting).

    As a goal, I would suggest we try very hard to keep the maximum population below 10 billion. Anything more than that, and I think we would be at a very heightened risk of pandemics, for one thing; and there might be so much social STRESS from nations competing for resources, that it might well lead to major wars. No thank you.
    Consider this, and bear in mind that science fiction has a way of becoming science fact eventually: That expensive steak from Ruth Crisp is composed of nitrogen (abundant in the air), hydrogen. oxygen (water) and carbon. Just re arrange the atoms a bit, and you have an identical steak.

    And if you think that's far out, think of the political difficulty of controlling worldwide population.

    No, really, I think the Four Horsemen will reduce human population eventually. Perhaps we will eventually evolve into a truly rational creature, but that hasn't happened yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I'm all for 3D printing of food (and human organs, and a whole host of other stuff), but even this would need a feedstock of some kind, maybe algae, to provide raw materials for the printers. By no means do I think we could grow enough algae to provide the feedstock to feed 75 billion people (which is what Spookycolt was suggesting).

    As a goal, I would suggest we try very hard to keep the maximum population below 10 billion. Anything more than that, and I think we would be at a very heightened risk of pandemics, for one thing; and there might be so much social STRESS from nations competing for resources, that it might well lead to major wars. No thank you.
    Oh for sure. We are already half way there. Don't believe it? Just go to a grocery store right before a hurricane and watch people literally punch people for bottled water. Even two or three years ago when there was a reported shortage of bacon I remember seeing people shoving and pushing to get the last few packs. Offering to pay more for it even. We revert to animals when survival is at stake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Consider this, and bear in mind that science fiction has a way of becoming science fact eventually: That expensive steak from Ruth Crisp is composed of nitrogen (abundant in the air), hydrogen. oxygen (water) and carbon. Just re arrange the atoms a bit, and you have an identical steak.

    And if you think that's far out, think of the political difficulty of controlling worldwide population.

    No, really, I think the Four Horsemen will reduce human population eventually. Perhaps we will eventually evolve into a truly rational creature, but that hasn't happened yet.
    See I think that stuff will just make us worse. The notion that the "little people" will eat "fake steak" while the wealthy will have "real steak" will push some over the edge. Even if it tastes identical. Just that perception or optic will make people violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    See I think that stuff will just make us worse. The notion that the "little people" will eat "fake steak" while the wealthy will have "real steak" will push some over the edge. Even if it tastes identical. Just that perception or optic will make people violent.
    The "fake steak" would not only be identical, it would be superior. The 3D printer could be programmed to remove any small defect and produce perfect food.
    Anyway, the little people don't seem to mind eating at McDonald's while the privileged lay out $200 for a fancy dinner.
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    Overpopulation? No problem.


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