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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    so if you get more money from the feds then another state, you manage your money better? are you pushing this idea?

    or if you rely more on state money you manage more poorly?
    States don't quite rely on other states per se. Those on Social Security, Medicare or are in the service get their money from the federal govt which is paid for by the various taxpayers in states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    this is based on the level of taxation in each state. yes, there are a few exceptions.
    Looks like limited data stretched to try and fit a partisan point. Not really as factual as portrayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Djinn,

    Why the irrelevancy? I mean, unless you just like the strawman?
    I'm simply questioning the methodology behind the rankings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm simply questioning the methodology behind the rankings.
    Mr. Djinn,

    By using questionable analysis? Seriously, using your logic, North Dakota is the state in the best fiscal shape, and whose state government is least depend on Federal support, so doesn't that just blow your argument out of the water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm simply questioning the methodology behind the rankings.
    Methodology isn't particularly important. They've set their goals very low and provide no econometric test of tax effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Except for Florida, this looks like a population (or population density) sort.

    Weird that New Jersey ranks dead last - but is the third LEAST federally-dependent state. Illinois and California are in similar boats.
    Obviously lack of dependence on the federal government isn't a republican value.
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    This shows how meaningless this evaluation is.
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    There were several changes in the rankings from last year. Florida moved from sixth place to first, while Alaska dropped from first place last year to 17th this year, driven mainly by the fall in oil prices.
    According to the 5 criteria used to evaluate a state's solvency...the analysis did not catch Alaska's position relying so heavily on oil revenue.

    Global oil prices were already showing strains in 2015...how did the analysis miss Alaska's risk?

    Feb. 09, 2015
    North American oil production has therefore grown about 38% faster than total global demand. With that sort of dramatic shift in the supply and demand for oil, it is not surprising that oil prices have come under pressure. The energy revolution has also had a major effect on the production of natural gas, which means that the pressure on oil prices is even greater than the figures for oil alone suggest.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucemc.../#4fc3dd9341e1

    I don't trust an outfit that ranked Alaska no. 1 with oil prices tanking. Alaska failed on 3 of their 5 criteria.
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    Looks to me like the way to be judged positively for being "well run" is to assign yourself fewer tasks. I mean, if you have to do 100 things in a day but you only accomplish 50 of them you're a failure. On the other hand, if your only task for the day is to brush your teeth, it's probably going to be easier to succeed in getting a good score for the day.

    But who is better? The guy who accomplishes 50 things, or the one who accomplishes only one? The latter, of course, because he gets a grade of 100% while the first guy is a failure, having accomplished only half of his goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Looks to me like the way to be judged positively for being "well run" is to assign yourself fewer tasks. I mean, if you have to do 100 things in a day but you only accomplish 50 of them you're a failure. On the other hand, if your only task for the day is to brush your teeth, it's probably going to be easier to succeed in getting a good score for the day.

    But who is better? The guy who accomplishes 50 things, or the one who accomplishes only one? The latter, of course, because he gets a grade of 100% while the first guy is a failure, having accomplished only half of his goals.
    Mr. Rasselas,

    More like the way to being well run is to buy fewer stuff and not being in debt. For example, California has a bunch of stuff, toys and the like, but their credit card bill is through the roof. North Dakota doesn't have much stuff, but they live their means.

    Who's better? The state the promises everything to everybody, but doesn't have the means to pay for it, or the state that only provides the basics, but has the cash to pay for emergencies?

    You tell me.

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    We should also recognize that all states are not created equal in terms of the services they provide to citizens. Specifically, the more dense the population, the more intensive are the needs for public infrastructure, law enforcement, and other government services. The list of top ten states doesn't include ANY state with one city having a population of one million or more. Florida is close with Jacksonville at 800K+, but the others don't get close. California, on the other hand, has three.

    We have a great example of the low-tax, low-service model in Kansas. You remember Kansas...they lowered taxes so far they had to close their schools early because of a budget shortfall (though I'm sure that decision gets them points under this system of evaluation--they didn't spend money they didn't have, even if it cost their children days at school). They thought it would bring a raft of new businesses and make the state prosperous. Didn't happen.

    If these states are so great and their governments provide such terrific value, why are they so sparsely populated? Why aren't people beating a path to South Dakota?

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