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    Mr. Rasselas,

    More like the way to being well run is to buy fewer stuff and not being in debt. For example, California has a bunch of stuff, toys and the like, but their credit card bill is through the roof. North Dakota doesn't have much stuff, but they live their means.
    California has set a much stronger path toward the future. Our credit rating has improved markedly.

    Your argument above basically says "Be poor. It's better the way."

    Who's better?
    The place people want to live?
    The state the promises everything to everybody, but doesn't have the means to pay for it, or the state that only provides the basics, but has the cash to pay for emergencies?
    No one likes paying taxes, so there's always a fight to keep taxes low--but government does very little under the low-tax, low-service model, so it's much easier to balance the books. Of course, you don't have anything either.

    You tell me.
    I think I just did. I mean...what do we call the person who does very little but accepts that they'll have to get along on a subsistence income? Doesn't that word begin with "L"?

    One more thing--my autistic children get services here in California that most people can only dream about. I guess if you just kill off everyone who needs anything or drive them out of your state, everyone will be happier....
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    All highly dependent on what metric is used to determine the rankings. Massachusetts is nicknamed "taxachusetts" and they are ranked low, yet New Hampshire has no income or sales and they are in the middle. Florida and South Dakota have no income tax. So it also might depend on who they asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    We should also recognize that all states are not created equal in terms of the services they provide to citizens. Specifically, the more dense the population, the more intensive are the needs for public infrastructure, law enforcement, and other government services. The list of top ten states doesn't include ANY state with one city having a population of one million or more. Florida is close with Jacksonville at 800K+, but the others don't get close. California, on the other hand, has three.

    We have a great example of the low-tax, low-service model in Kansas. You remember Kansas...they lowered taxes so far they had to close their schools early because of a budget shortfall (though I'm sure that decision gets them points under this system of evaluation--they didn't spend money they didn't have, even if it cost their children days at school). They thought it would bring a raft of new businesses and make the state prosperous. Didn't happen.

    If these states are so great and their governments provide such terrific value, why are they so sparsely populated? Why aren't people beating a path to South Dakota?
    Speaking of Kansas and the school budget cuts -

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-plan-tax-bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    California has set a much stronger path toward the future. Our credit rating has improved markedly.

    Your argument above basically says "Be poor. It's better the way."

    The place people want to live? No one likes paying taxes, so there's always a fight to keep taxes low--but government does very little under the low-tax, low-service model, so it's much easier to balance the books. Of course, you don't have anything either.

    I think I just did. I mean...what do we call the person who does very little but accepts that they'll have to get along on a subsistence income? Doesn't that word begin with "L"?

    One more thing--my autistic children get services here in California that most people can only dream about. I guess if you just kill off everyone who needs anything or drive them out of your state, everyone will be happier....
    Mr. Rasselas,

    And by our credit has markedly improved, you mean "California still has the third worst bond rating in the United States at AA-." That's generally a third of a point higher interest rate than and AA rating and a whole point above a AAA rating. Not good when it is estimated that the state and local debt is $1.3 trillion.

    And that does not consider the unfunded $400 Billion state pension liability.

    And with regard to taxes, California has the highest income tax in the nation, the highest gas tax in the nation, and amongst the highest sales taxes in the nation. You'd think that California tax payers would be getting a good return on their investment. Not so. In fact, California is #47 in the return on investment (government services for taxes paid):

    Red States Offer Better Taxpayer ROI Than Blue States | Investopedia

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    New Jersey has a Republican governor, who prosecutes his political opponents by closing bridges, then absolves himself of wrongdoing by funneling millions of taxpayer dollars to his closest friends in an "independent" investigation of the so-called "Bridgegate". He also closed the beach around his governor's retreat the entire July 4 weekend, the highest revenue weekend of the year, because the Assembly didn't pass a budget yet. Then he went to the beach house and enjoyed his privacy.

    He is the walking essence of the new GOP gangster scumbag.

    And NJ is 50th on that list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    New Jersey has a Republican governor, who prosecutes his political opponents by closing bridges, then absolves himself of wrongdoing by funneling millions of taxpayer dollars to his closest friends in an "independent" investigation of the so-called "Bridgegate". He also closed the beach around his governor's retreat the entire July 4 weekend, the highest revenue weekend of the year, because the Assembly didn't pass a budget yet. Then he went to the beach house and enjoyed his privacy.

    He is the walking essence of the new GOP gangster scumbag.

    And NJ is 50th on that list.
    Mr. Splansing,

    And is one of the bluest of blue states in the nation. Did the top post not say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Rasselas,

    And by our credit has markedly improved, you mean "California still has the third worst bond rating in the United States at AA-." That's generally a third of a point higher interest rate than and AA rating and a whole point above a AAA rating. Not good when it is estimated that the state and local debt is $1.3 trillion.

    And that does not consider the unfunded $400 Billion state pension liability.
    I mean that we're bringing in more in tax money than we are spending.

    And with regard to taxes, California has the highest income tax in the nation, the highest gas tax in the nation, and amongst the highest sales taxes in the nation. You'd think that California tax payers would be getting a good return on their investment. Not so. In fact, California is #47 in the return on investment (government services for taxes paid):

    Red States Offer Better Taxpayer ROI Than Blue States | Investopedia
    I have no idea how they are calculating "ROI" for a state. That's a concept that comes from private business and is easy to calculate--it's all about money. There's no "profit" in state government.

    California provides really good services--better than nearly any state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    so if you get more money from the feds then another state, you manage your money better? are you pushing this idea?

    or if you rely more on state money you manage more poorly?
    'Than'

    Am I the only one to notice a growing lack of distinction between these conjunctions on the internet? Do schools teach basic grammar anymore? Or is it an 'auto-correct' artefact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I mean that we're bringing in more in tax money than we are spending.

    I have no idea how they are calculating "ROI" for a state. That's a concept that comes from private business and is easy to calculate--it's all about money. There's no "profit" in state government.

    California provides really good services--better than nearly any state.
    Mr. Rasselas,

    You really should get out more:

    California May Face $2 Billion Budget Deficit, Gov. Brown Warns CBS San Francisco

    Return on investment is about the services and quality of services California gets for their money, and California don't get much:

    California schools near the bottom in national ranking:

    Education: California ranks 10th to last

    California roads amongst the worst in the nation:

    California's roads are some of the poorest in the nation and rapidly getting worse

    California infrastructure amongst the worst in the nation:

    Oroville Dam is just part of California's crumbling infrastructure - LA Times

    California is 50th in healthcare access, and overall healthcare is only rated 26th best in the nation:

    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...th-care/23457/

    California poverty rate the worst in nation:

    TRUE: California has the nation?s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living | PolitiFact California

    California has the 17th highest violent crime rate in the nation:

    Violent Crime Rate By State - WorldAtlas.com

    California has the 19th highest crime rate in the nation:

    U.S. Crime Index State Rank

    California has the 14th highest unemployment rate in the nation:

    https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Splansing,

    And is one of the bluest of blue states in the nation. Did the top post not say that?
    Chris Christie is a Republican. When do the problems start for NJ?

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