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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I have to personally take issue with where my state is positioned in this list. Alaska depends utterly on oil tax revenue to fund its state government, and since the oil price crash of 2014-2015, state revenues have been down over 80%. In addition, the state has the fourth worst-funded public pensions in the nation, #1 worst if expressed in per capita terms. Despite these nightmares, there continues to be no state tax levied on residents, they keep dishing out permanent fund dividends to residents despite inability to fund the basics, they are rapidly depleting the Constitutional Budget Reserve, and before long will need to pass some sort of Constitutional Amendment granting itself access to the Permanent Fund principal or else it will be at risk of defaults. If that only puts us at #17 on the list of best-managed, what the fuck is wrong with the other 33 states that causes them to be ranked worse than that?
    I was just up there, (Anchorage, Seward, Whittier, Soldatna and Homer) I was surprised that gas was no cheaper than it is here in Maryland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    But where would you want to live?

    America's top states to live in 2017
    Certainly not most of them. Dakota? nothing to do and freeze your ass off? Iowa? I would take any of the states on east or west coast over them. Minnesota? Give me a break. I think those states paid to be on that list. Nebraska? what the fuck of interest is there in Nebraska?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Gaffer,

    So true, the best places to live are mostly red states.
    If you don't mind trailer trash and just downright fucking ignorant people with shitty schools

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    If you don't mind trailer trash and just downright fucking ignorant people with shitty schools
    Meh. Being ignorant about shit that has nothing to do with anything isn't necessarily a problem. Living in Bumfuck, western Oklahoma or Nebraska you probably don't know a lot about a lot of things that people in Connecticut spend their time on. But that's okay, because a lot of it is irrelevant. Wide, WIDE open spaces tend to breed their own brand of Liberal, since you can head off in whatever direction and find some bizarre, off-the-grid shit all the time. Stumble across an old campsite or something in the woods, with that old cookware, or maybe arrowheads and tools from god knows how long ago. The cranes swooping in as they migrate to the Gulf. If you are acclimated to the pace out there it has a lot to recommend it, mostly the pace and a focus on the people around you.

    There are just as many lunatic religious psychos in New Jersey as there are in Kansas. You just have to pick and choose who you're talking to. Same thing either place. But in Kansas, you'd also better be plenty okay talking to nobody at all, which isn't necessarily a bad thing all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Meh. Being ignorant about shit that has nothing to do with anything isn't necessarily a problem. Living in Bumfuck, western Oklahoma or Nebraska you probably don't know a lot about a lot of things that people in Connecticut spend their time on. But that's okay, because a lot of it is irrelevant. Wide, WIDE open spaces tend to breed their own brand of Liberal, since you can head off in whatever direction and find some bizarre, off-the-grid shit all the time. Stumble across an old campsite or something in the woods, with that old cookware, or maybe arrowheads and tools from god knows how long ago. The cranes swooping in as they migrate to the Gulf. If you are acclimated to the pace out there it has a lot to recommend it, mostly the pace and a focus on the people around you.

    There are just as many lunatic religious psychos in New Jersey as there are in Kansas. You just have to pick and choose who you're talking to. Same thing either place. But in Kansas, you'd also better be plenty okay talking to nobody at all, which isn't necessarily a bad thing all the time.
    I have to agree. You will never find as many whackadoo right wingers anywhere as you will up here in New Hampshire. I think there are more of them up here than in all of Kansas or Oklahoma. KKK groups and all that.

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    Lets be real, the places with the highest populations are more desirable for people to live, and the cost of living in those areas is very high. So all the expenses are going to be elevated. You are going to have high volume traffic that means you need more spending on road repairs, and new projects to relieve congestion, traffic lights, etc. You have to hire more people. And those people have to make livable wages, so they have to be paid more than bumblefuck state. And the cost of goods is higher. ANd you need more police because you have more people, and more of everything else. All paying higher wages, so no wonder why people have to pay more in taxes in those states due to those factors.

    And I've noticed in those red states (e.g. when I lived in Indiana), you often have poor roads, crappy parks, etc. To play softball in Indiana, the parks were run by private companies that would charge $3 a person (not a car) for people to come. So not only pay for registration, but you have to pay to get to the game, and if you want spectators, they have to pay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    California has set a much stronger path toward the future. Our credit rating has improved markedly.

    Your argument above basically says "Be poor. It's better the way."

    The place people want to live? No one likes paying taxes, so there's always a fight to keep taxes low--but government does very little under the low-tax, low-service model, so it's much easier to balance the books. Of course, you don't have anything either.

    I think I just did. I mean...what do we call the person who does very little but accepts that they'll have to get along on a subsistence income? Doesn't that word begin with "L"?

    One more thing--my autistic children get services here in California that most people can only dream about. I guess if you just kill off everyone who needs anything or drive them out of your state, everyone will be happier....
    It's really ridiculous how so many right wingers are clueless to the real benefits of taxpayer money. Countries with low taxes are absolute shit holes. Countries with higher taxes than us have higher standards of living.

    You righties have been brainwashed for far too long. Pull your head out of Fox news' ass and learn some facts. Our country is great thanks to all the taxpayer funded project that helped businesse thrive, people thrive, good infrastructure. We are neglecting much of that now and there will be bad consequences.

    and you people would still deny it. YOu are hopeless. The only hope is to shut you people up forever by making sure everybody gets out to vote so nobody panders to you hate and ignorance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I have to personally take issue with where my state is positioned in this list. Alaska depends utterly on oil tax revenue to fund its state government, and since the oil price crash of 2014-2015, state revenues have been down over 80%. In addition, the state has the fourth worst-funded public pensions in the nation, #1 worst if expressed in per capita terms. Despite these nightmares, there continues to be no state tax levied on residents, they keep dishing out permanent fund dividends to residents despite inability to fund the basics, they are rapidly depleting the Constitutional Budget Reserve, and before long will need to pass some sort of Constitutional Amendment granting itself access to the Permanent Fund principal or else it will be at risk of defaults. If that only puts us at #17 on the list of best-managed, what the fuck is wrong with the other 33 states that causes them to be ranked worse than that?
    Diversify your economy instead of depending on petroleum. Look what being dependent on coal did for West Virginia. Alaska has abundant natural attractions and could easily expand it's tourism income with a little investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Diversify your economy instead of depending on petroleum. Look what being dependent on coal did for West Virginia. Alaska has abundant natural attractions and could easily expand it's tourism income with a little investment.
    Suspect that would be hard since something like 95% of the state has no roads. Bush planes take people everywhere. Where they have built some roads, the Natives and locals are angry as it harms the natural beauty. Its tough when you have a state that is so far away and doesn't have ways to get around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I was just up there, (Anchorage, Seward, Whittier, Soldatna and Homer) I was surprised that gas was no cheaper than it is here in Maryland.
    We're not like Venezuela. We're an extraction point. It's sold on the global market.
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