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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I guess a sin tax can do both, Philly is an example. While the purpose of the tax appears to be financial, it wasn't the expected windfall for the city, yet it still raised a substantial sum.

    Meanwhile, people appear to be drinking more water in Philly as a result of the tax, and that is good for everybody in the long run.
    A sin tax typically has to be earmarked. If it isn't then it becomes a means to distort tax (i.e. increased inequities as these taxes, unlike income taxes, are normally partially hidden)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I guess a sin tax can do both, Philly is an example. While the purpose of the tax appears to be financial, it wasn't the expected windfall for the city, yet it still raised a substantial sum.

    Meanwhile, people appear to be drinking more water in Philly as a result of the tax, and that is good for everybody in the long run.
    Yeah but look at what it's supposed to fund...
    fund community schools, prekindergarten programs, recreation centers, libraries and parks
    So the funding for those things is dependent on people doing something the government is trying to discourage them from doing.
    They should have just thrown the revenue into the general fund so that no program depends on it.

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    Sin taxes aren't going to solve big government funding problems. They're usually a way to disproportionately tax the poor without much resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Sin taxes aren't going to solve big government funding problems. They're usually a way to disproportionately tax the poor without much resistance.
    Found this an amusing claim, given sin taxes are associated with increased efficiency. An example of right wingers call for economic inefficiency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    Found this an amusing claim, given sin taxes are associated with increased efficiency. An example of right wingers call for economic inefficiency?
    You bastardize the word "efficiency" constantly while balking at its standard definition, it's a moving a target what you're even attempting to say when you whip out your little buzz words like "efficiency."

    Anyway, I wasn't "calling for" anything. Sin taxes are social engineering, as the poor disproportionately engage in "bad" consumption choices, to be dissuaded by taxes from doing so. I was only observing that for all the shedding of tears over the poor and regressive taxation, liberals don't put up much resistance to sin taxes, rather in some cases are huge fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You bastardize the word "efficiency" constantly while balking at its standard definition, it's a moving a target what you're even attempting to say when you whip out your little buzz words like "efficiency."
    Sin taxes naturally lead to discussion of negative externalities. It becomes standard Pigovian tax stuff, with elimination of overconsumption necessarily an efficiency enhancement.

    Anyway, I wasn't "calling for" anything. Sin taxes are social engineering, as the poor disproportionately engage in "bad" consumption choices, to be dissuaded by taxes from doing so. I was only observing that for all the shedding of tears over the poor and regressive taxation, liberals don't put up much resistance to sin taxes, rather in some cases are huge fans.
    Perfectly straightforward to use the tax revenues to reduce tax elsewhere (and therefore ensure protection of the 'social wage').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    Sin taxes naturally lead to discussion of negative externalities. It becomes standard Pigovian tax stuff, with elimination of overconsumption necessarily an efficiency enhancement.


    Perfectly straightforward to use the tax revenues to reduce tax elsewhere (and therefore ensure protection of the 'social wage').
    Umm.. They were upset because they didn't raise enough tax for schools... The case relevant to this thread kinda shits on your explanation here.

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    Democrats once again Tax the Poor. don't you love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Umm.. They were upset because they didn't raise enough tax for schools... The case relevant to this thread kinda shits on your explanation here.
    Try and respond to my comment like a good chap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    Try and respond to my comment like a good chap!
    The op already defies your comments, and the op is what you were discussing as a hypothetical but in practise results.

    Bottom line, this serves to tax the poor disproportionate, and the money is not earmarked as you recommended, it was intended as a fund raising of taxes...

    The biggest counter to your comment is how reality defies it.

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