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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    As far as health care goes; you can make it cheaper, high quality, or more accessible. But you have to choose two out of those three because you have to sacrifice one of those things to get the others.
    We might not even be able to choose two of the three. We might have to choose one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    As far as health care goes; you can make it cheaper, high quality, or more accessible. But you have to choose two out of those three because you have to sacrifice one of those things to get the others.
    I think that the main problem with the ACA has nothing to do with the mandate. It's the fact that it offers too much and maybe, we could offer less unless we want more, in which case we could have wrap around. My vision for America is to have a scaled back insurance that would be universale, it would cover hospitalization, doctor vists, medication, etc. If you want more, the rest would be private, wrap around insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    We all win a Death Sentence why.

    1. 20,000,000,000,000 of debt prevents the government from having the funds to adequately fund a 1/2 assed Universal care system
    2. If you get sick in Canada you are more likely to DIE than in the US. Same for UK and Same for every other nation.
    3. Short life expectancy in the US is LIFESTYLE not healthcare causation.
    If we are twenty trillion in debt why are we cutting taxes, knowing that will balloon the debt even more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post


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    What is surprising for me is the fact that you are bragging about cancer statistics in the USA. It is a fact that for many cancers the US are leaders as far as developping new treatments etc... But there is a but ! These statitistics do not take into account the life expectancy which is rather low in the USA compared to Europe and Japan. I can hope to live longer than an American and therefore I have more chance to have cancer, because it is also a type of desease you catch more when you are older. Sothe question is how many Americans die before having the "opportunity" of dying from cancer ? So any thorough study of such a subject should integrate a more global approach as the one based only on cancer. And anyway the health system of the US is more expensive than the ones of other developped countries and that with a global performance which is poorer and many patients need treatments in the USAS they cannot afford,so what to do ? Let them die to avoid spending money, which could be invested elsewhere ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    If we are twenty trillion in debt why are we cutting taxes, knowing that will balloon the debt even more?
    Barack Obama added $1.4 trillion to the national debt in FY2016. Trump has only added a tiny fraction of that since he took office, even with the tax cuts it will only be a tiny fraction of Obama's annual average increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Barack Obama added $1.4 trillion to the national debt in FY2016. Trump has only added a tiny fraction of that since he took office, even with the tax cuts it will only be a tiny fraction of Obama's annual average increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    We all win a Death Sentence why.

    1. 20,000,000,000,000 of debt prevents the government from having the funds to adequately fund a 1/2 assed Universal care system
    2. If you get sick in Canada you are more likely to DIE than in the US. Same for UK and Same for every other nation.
    3. Short life expectancy in the US is LIFESTYLE not healthcare causation.
    Here's what Canada has to stay about that:

    That the NBER economists could present such arguments with a straight face well illustrates the remarkable disconnect between cause and effect, prevention and intervention, and scientific progress versus human progress in the U.S. health care system and its Medical-Industrial Complex. Eight years later Canada would boast a life expectancy of 82.2 years and an infant mortality rate of 4.9/1000 live births versus U.S. numbers of 79.3 years and 6.5/1000 live births. It should be noted as well that the per capita health care expenditure in Canada at the time was $5,292 compared to $9,403 in the U.S.

    Canada vs. U.S. Health - Report Card - HealthCommentary : HealthCommentary
    Disconnect between cause and effect describes conservatism on more than one front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    What is surprising for me is the fact that you are bragging about cancer statistics in the USA. It is a fact that for many cancers the US are leaders as far as developping new treatments etc... But there is a but ! These statitistics do not take into account the life expectancy which is rather low in the USA compared to Europe and Japan. I can hope to live longer than an American and therefore I have more chance to have cancer, because it is also a type of desease you catch more when you are older. Sothe question is how many Americans die before having the "opportunity" of dying from cancer ? So any thorough study of such a subject should integrate a more global approach as the one based only on cancer. And anyway the health system of the US is more expensive than the ones of other developped countries and that with a global performance which is poorer and many patients need treatments in the USAS they cannot afford,so what to do ? Let them die to avoid spending money, which could be invested elsewhere ?
    Just like most of the economic gains go to the wealthiest Americans, most of the gains in life expectancy also go to the wealthiest Americans.

    More precisely, the study shows that in the U.S., the richest 1 percent of men lives 14.6 years longer on average than the poorest 1 percent of men, while among women in those wealth percentiles, the difference is 10.1 years on average.

    This eye-opening gap is also growing rapidly: Over roughly the last 15 years, life expectancy increased by 2.34 years for men and 2.91 years for women who are among the top 5 percent of income earners in America, but by just 0.32 and 0.04 years for men and women in the bottom 5 percent of the income tables.

    New study shows rich, poor have huge mortality gap in U.S. | MIT News

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