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    Several Republicans are already not on board as this bill evolves, look for it to go down in flames....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    The question is a wonderful question that goes right to the heart of the two parties economic platforms. Neither one fully embraces what could be done at the macro level but they are separated by some very critical political values. The left sees fiscal spending as a potential stimulus tool and taxation as a means of heating up or cooling down an economy. The left uses tax rates to follow policy goals that are 180 degrees outside of what the right's goals are. Both grease the rich, both grease corporations but only one gives the poor and the middle class a bone now and then, that is the left. The right gives the meat to the rich, corporations and to those who they believe exemplify the type of behavior they deem honorable. The right sees the deficit as a political tool when out of power. The left sees it in much the same way but not to the degree of the right wing. The left does not create a massive media campaign and grassroots movement around deficits. The right does every time. So, in this particular case, the right wants to grease the rich and corporations without any regard for anything else. They don't care about the deficit, don't really care about using fiscal policy to stimulate jobs or invest in public infrastructure. They sell it saying the opposite.

    The left got just as bamboozled by Milton Friedman as did the right. The left did not put his ideas into their ideology like the right did.
    So here is my thing. If we agree to all you say, then why do so many in poverty vote for the GOP? I have seen article after article that claims the poorest areas are the reddest and its been this way since the 1970s. Why do you think this is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    So here is my thing. If we agree to all you say, then why do so many in poverty vote for the GOP? I have seen article after article that claims the poorest areas are the reddest and its been this way since the 1970s. Why do you think this is?
    Because those in poverty tend to be poorly educated. And it's easier to break promises to the poorly educated while retaining their loyalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Because those in poverty tend to be poorly educated. And it's easier to break promises to the poorly educated while retaining their loyalty.
    But to me it also shows a disconnect. Democrats typically campaign on these issues whereas republicans dont. So that seems to indicate there is more going on. If you are campaigning and telling me you are going to help me and either I dont believe or trust you, there is something else happening. Education might play a part of it, but its not the whole story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    /Listening to the Donald Trump he promised growth through his excellent business acumen. The GOP is selling this Tax reform as the way to stimulate the economy.

    Supporters on PH tell us all the time that the economy is awesome.

    So why did we need Trump? If tax cuts is the answer to all our problems...any Republican president could have signed the bill.
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    I wonder if he will say, "Tax codes are complex. Who knew?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    So here is my thing. If we agree to all you say, then why do so many in poverty vote for the GOP? I have seen article after article that claims the poorest areas are the reddest and its been this way since the 1970s. Why do you think this is?
    Lack of proper education, heavy cultural impact of religion, racism, ignorance and fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I remember Reagan. Reagan instigated the longest running decline in wages for the working class that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. That, and record deficits.
    Real median household incomes rose under Reagan, the majority of Americans benefited from Reaganomics. We enjoyed significant GDP growth as well. Good times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    In that case, Barack Obama has put all past presidents to shame, including FDR. Then again, he probably does deserve some accolades for bringing us out of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression.
    The recession ended on its own a few months after Obama took office in June 2009. Instead of standing out of the way so the economy could recover Obama pushed policies that tamped down recovery non-stop. His carbon credit scheme, threats of higher taxes, Obamacare's increase of health care costs for employers and individuals, policies to increase energy costs, all resulted in the worst economic record of any modern POTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    The recession ended on its own a few months after Obama took office in June 2009. Instead of standing out of the way so the economy could recover Obama pushed policies that tamped down recovery non-stop. His carbon credit scheme, threats of higher taxes, Obamacare's increase of health care costs for employers and individuals, policies to increase energy costs, all resulted in the worst economic record of any modern POTUS.
    But what is the tax reform proposal intended to "fix?" Like I said, economic indicators say things are going well - so what's the reasoning for rocking the boat?

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