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    legally not, but we have many situation with foreigners without a valid working permit. Employers who hire them can get fines for thatand the illegalworkers expeleld, but employers have also to treat these people as any Swiss worker.It is why such workers are intititled to receive social benefits....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Interesting.

    Like an argument about fire safety in the midst of a rising flood, there’s a jarring disconnect in Washington’s tax reform debate. While lawmakers battle over familiar grounds of supply-side economics and widening inequality, they’re ignoring the game-changing fact that artificial intelligence and automation will wipe out millions of jobs — up to 50 percent in the coming decades, according to some studies.

    Despite the blithe dismissals of some senior government officials, the AI revolution isn’t decades away. Automated trucks are making deliveries, software is picking stocks and interpreting medical results. These are only the first drops in the AI tsunami about to hit our economy. Last June, a survey of researchers from Oxford and Yale predicted that within 10 years, machines will be better than human beings at writing high school essays, driving, and working retail. And while the rise of the robots will inevitably launch new professions, it will exact a steep near-term price in unemployment, income loss, and inequality.

    Lawmakers would be wise to note, too, that robot employees don’t pay taxes, nor do they purchase consumer products. Unless government leaders take decisive action soon, we won’t be arguing over how to slice the existing economic pie but about what to do with the crumbs. We cannot be oblivious to the facts. The United States needs a far-sighted national strategy, a map for navigating the coming sea change.

    We cannot delay the arrival of brilliant technologies, but we can learn to live and work with them. The solution is education.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...bewell:opinion
    Of course, robots do not pay taxes like individuals but their owners do taxes on the income derived from them.

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    Yes, yes...

    I guess it's getting to the day and age where people are going to have to enter the work force with more job skills than "pick and place."

    Again, how many jobs were created with the "Personal Computer revolution"?

    Wait until we see how many jobs are created when the "Personal Robot" revolution has fully arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    legally not, but we have many situation with foreigners without a valid working permit. Employers who hire them can get fines for thatand the illegalworkers expeleld, but employers have also to treat these people as any Swiss worker.It is why such workers are intititled to receive social benefits....
    "Swiss Automatic" has been around for a long time and these machines are just as amazing as any robot.

    You guys do very good work, they don't say "Built like a Swiss watch" for nothing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Historically there has always been this fear whenever a new technology was introduced into society and its always been proven wrong.

    Electricity, the automobile, the computer.....they all ended up producing more jobs in the long run, not less.

    Sure some will be out of work in the short term but in the long term it always rebounds.
    Let's look at my area alone (Automatic warehousing systems). Automated warehousing has reduced the need for storeman, checkers and packers. There are few clerical staff as all orders are received on line and the software processes said orders. There is no need for sales representatives as the product is advertised on line.

    A large facility can operate with much less staff (approx. 20% of pre-automation levels) and these were positions held by the low skilled and unskilled. Warehousing and sales positions are common now, but this revolution will reduce the need for jobs in the industry by as much as 80% in a lot of cases.

    In the coming decades these jobs will disappear and this is not the only industry where the 'knock on' effect will have serious repercussions for the job market, and this will ultimately destabilise current economic models. No adaptation of the existing labour pool in these areas will fix the imbalance.

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    I guess it needs to be said, if a company stubbornly avoids automation, they will simply be put out of business by competitors.

    And that's the same for a country that thinks they can legislate their way clear here, they might enact the legislation, but they will be "put out of business" as well...

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    While robots do not pay income taxes, they also do not draw an income. Let's say that we did pass a tax upon robots. They now have to pay 50% of their income in taxes. Since they make $0 per hour, what does that come to in the tax return?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I think I could deal with the hardship of living in Switzerland.

    You think someone with your intelligence is going to get a second look from her? That's funny.

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