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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    The stock market is only up because of buybacks.
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    So far this idea “the sky is falling” has no merit to it. Jobs are up, companies are making profits, the stock market is roaring. I see no dark clouds in the horizon to worry about. The worry is perpetuated by a media that is politically motivated. A healthy economy is worry for Democrats trying to get elected, so they claim the sky is falling, even when it’s not
    It was no problem for republicans in 2016 - they just persisted in insisting the economy was hurting under Obama.

    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Joseph Goebbels

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    It was no problem for republicans in 2016 - they just persisted in insisting the economy was hurting under Obama.

    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Joseph Goebbels
    Economic growth fell to an anemic 1.6% in 2016, we were headed toward recession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    I don't believe in economic theories, not rigidly anyway, but a lot of capitalists with a lot of money have been sitting on it because they did not trust Obama, partly because of unfulfilled promises like this one.



    Obama then made the year of stimulus spending his new baseline and while duplicitously claiming that the budget did not go up (by comparing it with the year of stimulus spending) he tried to hide the fact that he was running up huge deficits every year. Then the regulations and more regulations and the ACA.

    It's not the fact that Obama lied, but that he had so little respect for capitalism and everybody knew it. Remember the "You didn't build that" speech.

    So trickle down does not automatically work. But when capitalists have been sitting on their money and somebody who loves making money comes along, they are ready to rock.
    Are you suggesting that Obama should have kept his campaign promise ignoring the catastrophic change in economic circumstances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Economic growth fell to an anemic 1.6% in 2016, we were headed toward recession.
    Nonsense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Not true.
    Here's how it works

    Since a share repurchase reduces a company’s outstanding shares, its biggest impact is evident in per-share measures of profitability and cash flow such as earnings per share (EPS) and cash flow per share (CFPS). Assuming that the price/earnings (P/E) multiple at which the stock trades is unchanged, this should eventually result in a higher share price .


    As an example, consider the case of a hypothetical company – call it Birdbaths & Beyond (BB) – which had 100 million shares outstanding at the beginning of a given year. The stock was trading at $10, giving BB a market capitalization of $1 billion. BB had net income of $50 million or EPS of 50 cents ($50 million/100 million shares outstanding) in the preceding 12 months, which means that the stock was trading at a P/E of 20 (i.e. $10/50 cents). Assume BB also had excess cash of $100 million at the start of the year, which it deployed in a share repurchase program over the next 12 months. So at the end of the year, BB would have 90 million shares outstanding. For the sake of simplicity, we have assumed here that all the shares were repurchased at an average cost of $10 each, which means that a total of 10 million shares were repurchased and canceled by the company.

    Suppose BB earned $50 million in this year as well; its EPS would now be about 56 cents ($50 million/90 million shares). If the stock continues to trade at a P/E multiple of 20, the share price would now be $11.20. The 12% stock appreciation has been entirely driven by the EPS increase thanks to the reduction in BB’s outstanding shares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    It was Donald Trump and the Republicans claiming the sky was falling 18 months ago.

    The trend has been going up since the crash of 2009.

    2017 was not all that different than 2016.

    Its Trump that has made all kinds of fantastical claims that have not come about.

    No major increases in manufacturing or companies relocating to the us

    No increases in coal consumption or increase in coal jobs.


    Trump claims increases in 'consumer confidence' as a victory. Consumer confidence is not a product or service.
    It's a result

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Here's how it works
    If the stock continues to trade at a P/E multiple of 20, the share price would now be $11.20.
    Do you see the problem with that statement?

    Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    The stock market is only up because of buybacks.
    And still not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Do you see the problem with that statement?



    And still not true.
    Perhaps you would post showing HOW that isnt true.

    With links to credible sources, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    It was Donald Trump and the Republicans claiming the sky was falling 18 months ago.

    The trend has been going up since the crash of 2009.

    2017 was not all that different than 2016.

    Its Trump that has made all kinds of fantastical claims that have not come about.

    No major increases in manufacturing or companies relocating to the us

    No increases in coal consumption or increase in coal jobs.


    Trump claims increases in 'consumer confidence' as a victory. Consumer confidence is not a product or service.
    Apple just said they were going to bring money back to America and provide 20000 jobs. They are going to invest Billions of dollars in the American economy. What’s wrong with that?

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