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    One of the problems that city leaders were grappling with is the massive tax incentives Amazon was seeking to be considered for moving their warehouse to a community.

    This is no different than promises made of jobs and tax dollars for resident to fund a private sports stadium. In most cases there is no realized tax or jobs boost as promised.

    If Amazon wants to pay their worker min. wage and keep everyone at part-time work and make billions of dollars that is their right...but they should not ask for tax breaks for 25 years from a city to move there.
    These tax incentives do not cost the city anything. It's found money. If Amazon wasn't there, that would be empty land. It would not be generating taxes. The tax incentives cause the city to get less taxes from Amazon. They don't write a check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    One of the problems that city leaders were grappling with is the massive tax incentives Amazon was seeking to be considered for moving their warehouse to a community.

    This is no different than promises made of jobs and tax dollars for resident to fund a private sports stadium. In most cases there is no realized tax or jobs boost as promised.

    If Amazon wants to pay their worker min. wage and keep everyone at part-time work and make billions of dollars that is their right...but they should not ask for tax breaks for 25 years from a city to move there.
    Mr. Drone,

    And by increased problems, you of course mean, how will they spend the increased property taxes as property values increase, and the increased sales taxes as Amazon workers move into the area and patronized local businesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Drone,

    And by increased problems, you of course mean, how will they spend the increased property taxes as property values increase, and the increased sales taxes as Amazon workers move into the area and patronized local businesses?
    No, there are some increased problems. To be fair, Amazon building a warehouse and employing 700, 1000, or whatever people will cause some increased traffic on the roads. It will cause some additional kids in the schools. It will cause some growth. There may even be a little more need for law enforcement. Of course, all those workers will be paying taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    One of the problems that city leaders were grappling with is the massive tax incentives Amazon was seeking to be considered for moving their warehouse to a community.

    This is no different than promises made of jobs and tax dollars for resident to fund a private sports stadium. In most cases there is no realized tax or jobs boost as promised.

    If Amazon wants to pay their worker min. wage and keep everyone at part-time work and make billions of dollars that is their right...but they should not ask for tax breaks for 25 years from a city to move there.
    Well, to be fair, they should ask. And any town should laugh in their face and tell them to buzz off. Move in and take up space and pay no taxes and stick a bunch of people into dead-end jobs that pay scarcely enough to live on? Gee...where do I sign?

    Why would a town sign on for this? Oh, wait, I think I might know. It's called grifting. Bribery. Kickbacks. Fact is, not that long ago big companies often had to pay towns and counties off to deal with objections to them coming into town. People would be all wary of the increased burden on infrastructure, on roads and sewers and the electrical grid, etc. So Merrell or whomever would write a big check to the town and get the green light. And that was just what was above board. And then they would move in with their promises, and all of a sudden the town is now a suburb of an office park or a warehouse.

    Now they don't even pay for the privilege. They are actually asking to GET PAID for their efforts. If people will do it, then I guess they deserve to get fucked. Just like all the morons that buy those lightly plated "gold coins" (limit 5 per customer!) from those TV commercials.

    My complaint isn't with Amazon. It's with the politicians who sell themselves to support these deals, and the citizens who are too fucking ignorant and stupid to put a foot down and tell Amazon and their "leaders" to fuck off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Amazon brings jobs to the community in many ways. There is trucking to be done at these facilities, that will mean fuel stations get business. There will be more workers that increases need for rental housing, more restaurants, more groceries, and many other things. Yes, other corporations do it, too but they aren't wanting to move in these places. I just don't see a line up of corporations to move there, do you?
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    Amazon is picking communities like Houston and central Ohio and maybe NJ. Not exactly depressed areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Well, to be fair, they should ask. And any town should laugh in their face and tell them to buzz off. Move in and take up space and pay no taxes and stick a bunch of people into dead-end jobs that pay scarcely enough to live on? Gee...where do I sign?

    Why would a town sign on for this? Oh, wait, I think I might know. It's called grifting. Bribery. Kickbacks. Fact is, not that long ago big companies often had to pay towns and counties off to deal with objections to them coming into town. People would be all wary of the increased burden on infrastructure, on roads and sewers and the electrical grid, etc. So Merrell or whomever would write a big check to the town and get the green light. And that was just what was above board. And then they would move in with their promises, and all of a sudden the town is now a suburb of an office park or a warehouse.

    Now they don't even pay for the privilege. They are actually asking to GET PAID for their efforts. If people will do it, then I guess they deserve to get fucked. Just like all the morons that buy those lightly plated "gold coins" (limit 5 per customer!) from those TV commercials.

    My complaint isn't with Amazon. It's with the politicians who sell themselves to support these deals, and the citizens who are too fucking ignorant and stupid to put a foot down and tell Amazon and their "leaders" to fuck off.
    Mr. splansing,

    The funny thing is you probably got your copy of "Bringing Marxism to America" with your Amazon Prime membership...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, there are some increased problems. To be fair, Amazon building a warehouse and employing 700, 1000, or whatever people will cause some increased traffic on the roads. It will cause some additional kids in the schools. It will cause some growth. There may even be a little more need for law enforcement. Of course, all those workers will be paying taxes.
    Mr. dad,

    Economic growth is a bitch, wot?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Well, to be fair, they should ask. And any town should laugh in their face and tell them to buzz off. Move in and take up space and pay no taxes and stick a bunch of people into dead-end jobs that pay scarcely enough to live on? Gee...where do I sign?

    Why would a town sign on for this? Oh, wait, I think I might know. It's called grifting. Bribery. Kickbacks. Fact is, not that long ago big companies often had to pay towns and counties off to deal with objections to them coming into town. People would be all wary of the increased burden on infrastructure, on roads and sewers and the electrical grid, etc. So Merrell or whomever would write a big check to the town and get the green light. And that was just what was above board. And then they would move in with their promises, and all of a sudden the town is now a suburb of an office park or a warehouse.

    Now they don't even pay for the privilege. They are actually asking to GET PAID for their efforts. If people will do it, then I guess they deserve to get fucked. Just like all the morons that buy those lightly plated "gold coins" (limit 5 per customer!) from those TV commercials.

    My complaint isn't with Amazon. It's with the politicians who sell themselves to support these deals, and the citizens who are too fucking ignorant and stupid to put a foot down and tell Amazon and their "leaders" to fuck off.
    My city did tell Amazon no thank you. The tax breaks Amazon sought were too much to keep in the running.

    Toyota truck plant moved into the area. Everyone said that Toyota would change that part of the city and would be a massive attraction to business.

    We gave Toyota massive tracts of land and massive tax breaks for more than 25 years.

    Toyota hired limited full time employees and has farmed out the work to labor workers. So employees working at Toyota are not Toyota employees they are employees of a labor contractor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    When Amazon opens a warehouse it brings jobs to that area. That brings tax dollars to the local government coffers. But I can understand hating a corporation like Amazon. Do you hate its founder and CEO Jeff Bezos? That damn liberal.
    You probably don't know this but it is possible to like something yet still work in order to make it better. Trump loyalists have a problem understanding this simple idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. splansing,

    The funny thing is you probably got your copy of "Bringing Marxism to America" with your Amazon Prime membership...
    Showing off your staggering intellect again I see. Got any more for us? Why don't you call me a stupid dummy next, genius?

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