Page 7 of 14 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 133
Thanks Tree38Thanks

Thread: Amazon and Food Stamps

  1. #61
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    14,986
    Thanks
    4006

    From
    AK
    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Corporate welfare has a meaning and its the analogy applied from social welfare. It's not all doom and gloom as some would see it, but it exists although admittedly difficult to have a discussion about considering the black and white extreme applied to all businesses or no businesses.

    I appreciate the education but it doesn't change my opinion on it. If a company produces legitimate welfare recipients
    Companies do not "produce welfare recipients." What produces welfare recipients is 1) governments creating social welfare programs, and 2) people signing up for those programs.

  2. #62
    Chubby Member
    Joined
    May 2006
    Posts
    9,622
    Thanks
    3023

    "Amazon has a 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse in Robbinsville and opened new warehouses in Edison, Logan and Cranbury this year. It is scheduled to open a warehouse in Teterboro next year."

    Turns out if Robbinsville had offered nothing, had in fact demanded payment to cover the impact that a huge warehouse has on their infrastructure (the township was nearly forced to sue over the traffic, which is still a nightmare)...Amazon would have been compelled to site a warehouse there anyway. They have warehouses every few miles up and down the NJ Turnpike corridor, because they need them.

    Politicians should not be making deals like this. They should not be subsidizing billionaires. It creates the appearance of impropriety, which used to be something that politicians understood.

    And not only that:

    "Amazon also uses a number of warehouses operated by third-party contractors that ship for Amazon and use employees supplied by temp agencies."

    Amazon should do what Amazon can do. This is not on Amazon. It is on the politicians selling out.

    There is a bit of momentum getting started to unionize these warehouse workers at this point. They can't live making $8.50 an hour in NJ.

    I hope unions rise and push the scales back towards balanced. Eventually they'll swing too far and we'll have to swing back right again to clean that up, but so it goes.

  3. #63
    Chubby Member
    Joined
    May 2006
    Posts
    9,622
    Thanks
    3023

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    How did it work out for Seattle that Amazon and Microsoft set up so much of their business in Seattle?
    If you think comparing Microsoft's HQ, employing the bulk of their engineers and programmers, to a minimum wage warehouse makes sense, I don't know what to tell you.

    A lot of damage has been done in places that are desperate for new business to relocate there. States are trying to reverse decades of damage done by bad policies, usually bad public sector policies, that previously led to industrial decline and exodus. It's hard to reverse this decline, but getting a few major relocations to your state can help, and these states are desperate. You really shouldn't be bringing up New Jersey in relation to this, because if you really honestly wanted to look at what has gone on over the decades in New Jersey that has put them in this fiscal situation, you wouldn't like what you found. So don't try to spin their problems to somehow be about trickle down economics in places like New Jersey, Michigan, Illinois and other places that are desperate for revival.
    I might point out that this is all related to why those communities are so "desperate" in the first place, but that might be one too many steps for your imagination, and you'll just start screaming at me, so I'll skip it.

  4. #64
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    12,157
    Thanks
    2991

    From
    California
    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    "Amazon has a 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse in Robbinsville and opened new warehouses in Edison, Logan and Cranbury this year. It is scheduled to open a warehouse in Teterboro next year."

    Turns out if Robbinsville had offered nothing, had in fact demanded payment to cover the impact that a huge warehouse has on their infrastructure (the township was nearly forced to sue over the traffic, which is still a nightmare)...Amazon would have been compelled to site a warehouse there anyway. They have warehouses every few miles up and down the NJ Turnpike corridor, because they need them.

    Politicians should not be making deals like this. They should not be subsidizing billionaires. It creates the appearance of impropriety, which used to be something that politicians understood.

    And not only that:

    "Amazon also uses a number of warehouses operated by third-party contractors that ship for Amazon and use employees supplied by temp agencies."

    Amazon should do what Amazon can do. This is not on Amazon. It is on the politicians selling out.

    There is a bit of momentum getting started to unionize these warehouse workers at this point. They can't live making $8.50 an hour in NJ.

    I hope unions rise and push the scales back towards balanced. Eventually they'll swing too far and we'll have to swing back right again to clean that up, but so it goes.
    Mr. splansing,

    And by Robbinsville demanding payment, you mean "Robbinsville also approved a payment in lieu of taxes agreement, under which warehouse builder and owner KTR Capital Partners will pay a fixed $14 million over 20 years instead of property taxes."

    Amazon.com will open Robbinsville warehouse, creating hundreds of jobs | NJ.com


  5. #65
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    14,986
    Thanks
    4006

    From
    AK
    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    "Amazon has a 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse in Robbinsville and opened new warehouses in Edison, Logan and Cranbury this year. It is scheduled to open a warehouse in Teterboro next year."

    Turns out if Robbinsville had offered nothing, had in fact demanded payment to cover the impact that a huge warehouse has on their infrastructure (the township was nearly forced to sue over the traffic, which is still a nightmare)...Amazon would have been compelled to site a warehouse there anyway. They have warehouses every few miles up and down the NJ Turnpike corridor, because they need them.

    Politicians should not be making deals like this. They should not be subsidizing billionaires. It creates the appearance of impropriety, which used to be something that politicians understood.

    And not only that:

    "Amazon also uses a number of warehouses operated by third-party contractors that ship for Amazon and use employees supplied by temp agencies."

    Amazon should do what Amazon can do. This is not on Amazon. It is on the politicians selling out.
    You may be right that this is bad government leadership in some cases. I'm sure it is, in some cases. But declaring it all to be corporate welfare just because some jobs pay very low and some of those workers sign up for welfare and that this is "subsidizing billionaires" is garbage rhetoric, straight from the Twitter feeds of Richard Trumka, Mary Kay Henry and Lee Saunders.

    There is a bit of momentum getting started to unionize these warehouse workers at this point. They can't live making $8.50 an hour in NJ.
    Unions aren't going to make these jobs valuable full-time benefited 30-year careers. They pay crap because the labor is of absolute minimal value. They hardly even need actual people to do these mindless, skill-less jobs anymore. They're not "good jobs" and will never be. No union can ever make them be that way. They won't.

    I hope unions rise and push the scales back towards balanced.
    They won't.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 9th January 2018 at 01:25 PM.

  6. #66
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    14,986
    Thanks
    4006

    From
    AK
    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    If you think comparing Microsoft's HQ, employing the bulk of their engineers and programmers, to a minimum wage warehouse makes sense, I don't know what to tell you.
    The economies of some of these places are on the brink of death. Population is flat or declining, property values are flat or declining, more businesses are closing than opening, the tax base is shrinking, government revenues are declining, making the place gradually less appealing-looking. When you're the leader of a government where this is happening, it is your job to think creatively about ways to reverse the trend. Anything involving new business operations coming into town helps.

    I might point out that this is all related to why those communities are so "desperate" in the first place, but that might be one too many steps for your imagination, and you'll just start screaming at me, so I'll skip it.
    Unions have played a huge role in decimating a lot of local and regional economies, and continue to actively do so, as they want ever-more for themselves with reckless disregard for the general economy or fiscal health of the company or government. Recovery from this is often very difficult and takes a very long time. Recovery happens faster when new business operations take root in the area.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 9th January 2018 at 01:33 PM.

  7. #67
    SWED Missle Command Champion johnflesh's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    20,870
    Thanks
    11040

    From
    Colorado
    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Companies do not "produce welfare recipients." What produces welfare recipients is 1) governments creating social welfare programs, and 2) people signing up for those programs.
    Ah, the cart before the horse even existed argument. This is part of why this is a difficult subject to discuss on the internet. Extremism.

  8. #68
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    14,986
    Thanks
    4006

    From
    AK
    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Ah, the cart before the horse even existed argument. This is part of why this is a difficult subject to discuss on the internet. Extremism.
    There's nothing extremist about anything I'm saying. If anything is extremist, it is the claim that a company which advertises for low-wage work to be done is somehow "creating welfare recipients." That makes no logical sense and requires labor union/Democrat extremism to even think that way.

    If a company needs two people to press a button every time a light goes on, and there are a there are a thousand poor people signing up willing to do that job for minimum wage and no benefits, the company did not create those 998 people who will still be without a job no matter what happens, nor for that matter did it create the two who get and accept the job, nor did the company create the welfare programs for which the 998 unemployed and 2 employed people all voluntarily sign up. The people existed already, and the social welfare programs they sign up for were created so that they'd have their needs met. It requires very warped thinking to accuse the company of "creating welfare recipients" merely because it has a glut of willing labor at its disposal and the government created social welfare programs.

    In fact, there is a line of thinking emerging that suggests welfare policy should be made more generous so that it more adequately meets people's needs and makes them less likely to be willing to labor for pitiful wages. In fact if the welfare policy is generous enough, a statutory minimum wage isn't even needed, because people won't be incentivized to even apply for low wage jobs because it doesn't make them markedly better off, it just wastes their time and provides them basically no fulfillment, and employers will have to lure people off of welfare with higher wages to even get them to want to work for them. Remember most of these low paying jobs are not the least bit rewarding or fulfilling (and I don't mean financially). They're mindless jobs that should be automated anyway.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 9th January 2018 at 02:34 PM.

  9. #69
    Unarmed Addiction Solitaire Champion, Double Deuce Champion, Queen Jewels Champion, Ray Ray Shuffle Champion, Twins Champion, Blow Up: Arcade Champion, Bunch - Time Trial Champion, Znax Champion, Zoo Keeper Champion, Sobics School Champion, Swap a Smiley Champion, Makos Champion, Dino Drop Champion, Flower Frenzy Champion, Some Puzzle Champion, Funny Bubbles Champion, CubeZ Champion, Dinky Smash Champion, Fun Fun Animals Champion, Fruit Fabriek Champion, Raft Wars Champion, Rainbow Monkey RunDown Champion, Raft Wars Champion, Crime Puzzle Champion Blueneck's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    47,982
    Thanks
    25308

    From
    Ohio
    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Classic corporate welfare. Harumphing abounds about the great and powerful Amazon, but what it is, ultimately, is a machine to place formerly middle class people onto a treadmill that generates cash for ownership. That's all, nothing else. This is happening not just in Ohio, by the way. Amazon LOVES to court politicians and set up warehouses with big promises, and then deliver a bunch of shit jobs effectively babysitting largely automated operations.

    I just do not understand how much longer people will idolize shit like this just because it is making big cash for a few people who run it.

    Article.
    Amazon is the new Walmart.

  10. #70
    Unarmed Addiction Solitaire Champion, Double Deuce Champion, Queen Jewels Champion, Ray Ray Shuffle Champion, Twins Champion, Blow Up: Arcade Champion, Bunch - Time Trial Champion, Znax Champion, Zoo Keeper Champion, Sobics School Champion, Swap a Smiley Champion, Makos Champion, Dino Drop Champion, Flower Frenzy Champion, Some Puzzle Champion, Funny Bubbles Champion, CubeZ Champion, Dinky Smash Champion, Fun Fun Animals Champion, Fruit Fabriek Champion, Raft Wars Champion, Rainbow Monkey RunDown Champion, Raft Wars Champion, Crime Puzzle Champion Blueneck's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    47,982
    Thanks
    25308

    From
    Ohio
    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Companies do not "produce welfare recipients." What produces welfare recipients is 1) governments creating social welfare programs, and 2) people signing up for those programs.
    What kind of health care does Amazon offer? Do you happen to know?

Page 7 of 14 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Maine Gov. Seeks To End Food Stamps bc Recipients Buy Junk Food
    By Madeline in forum Political Controversies
    Replies: 52
    Last Post: 27th June 2016, 10:18 AM
  2. Food stamps .... what fun
    By BDBoop in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 2nd May 2016, 05:25 PM
  3. According to the USDA: 1 in 5 U.S. Households on Food Stamps
    By meridian5455 in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 24th January 2014, 12:09 PM
  4. Replies: 146
    Last Post: 7th September 2013, 12:12 AM
  5. Surviving on food stamps
    By BDBoop in forum Economics
    Replies: 125
    Last Post: 21st June 2013, 04:00 AM

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed