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    No, you don't get it. FREE education is meaningless. It is worthless. A high school diploma is free. What's it worth? Nothing. Even funnier, many do not even get a high school diploma. College is worth something when you worked for it. You sacrificed to get it. This free bullshit, just means that you want to raise my taxes to give a longer free ride. I'm glad that your party is in control of NOTHING.

    Tell me, if this is such a good idea, why hasn't some bastion of liberalism like California or New York paid for college education with tax dollars? Just raise those state taxes and send them off to school. My state has free college. That's right, Georgia, has the HOPE scholarship which gives you free school, paid for by the lottery BUT you have to maintain a 3.0 grade point average. And people say that is so unfair because poor students can't get good grades.

    https://gsfc.georgia.gov/hope#field_related_links-576-0
    So, Georgia is a shithole because they offer free college? Sounds unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    So, Georgia is a shithole because they offer free college? Sounds unbelievable.
    Georgia offers free college paid for by the lottery, not the taxpayers. Has that been the answer to everything? Is California giving free college? New York? Why is it that liberals think that there should be free college for all but they aren't doing it in the states that they control? Why is it that they want it to be national? Afraid of the freeloaders that would move to their state for this benefit? Don't want to pay for it? If it is such a good idea, why hasn't Massachusetts done it? I'll tell you why because the Democrats really do not want it. It's a talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, free college is not to the public good. Free college is an utter waste. We give free high school diplomas. What are they worth? Free means paid for by taxpayers, in other words seized from those that earned it to give it to those that haven't. When a college degree is the norm, what happens to the kid who got pregnant and only wound up with a high school diploma? Shitty jobs for life? What about the kid who doesn't graduate high school? Really fucked?

    A college education means something when you have to work for it. When you invest in yourself to get it.
    There was a time when that free high school education got you a lot. Time moves on and many jobs require more education. A college education means a much higher likelihood of success today. And I'm fine if some people choose vocational school as long as the jobs they eventually get pay a decent wage.

    You're so full of shit. It's fine if the wealthy pay for their kids education. Their kids don't need to earn their education. Besides, as I already explained, too many people can't even afford community college.

    Yes, free education is a public good. A well education population means a better society overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, you don't get it. FREE education is meaningless. It is worthless. A high school diploma is free. What's it worth? Nothing. Even funnier, many do not even get a high school diploma. College is worth something when you worked for it. You sacrificed to get it. This free bullshit, just means that you want to raise my taxes to give a longer free ride. I'm glad that your party is in control of NOTHING.

    Tell me, if this is such a good idea, why hasn't some bastion of liberalism like California or New York paid for college education with tax dollars? Just raise those state taxes and send them off to school. My state has free college. That's right, Georgia, has the HOPE scholarship which gives you free school, paid for by the lottery BUT you have to maintain a 3.0 grade point average. And people say that is so unfair because poor students can't get good grades.

    https://gsfc.georgia.gov/hope#field_related_links-576-0
    California and New York offer free college. The most economically successful countries in the world offer free college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    There was a time when that free high school education got you a lot. Time moves on and many jobs require more education. A college education means a much higher likelihood of success today. And I'm fine if some people choose vocational school as long as the jobs they eventually get pay a decent wage.

    You're so full of shit. It's fine if the wealthy pay for their kids education. Their kids don't need to earn their education. Besides, as I already explained, too many people can't even afford community college.

    Yes, free education is a public good. A well education population means a better society overall.
    If free education is so good and so many Democrats want it, why hasn't it passed in any of the 6 states controlled by Democrats? State taxes could be raised to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    California and New York offer free college. The most economically successful countries in the world offer free college.
    Oh wait, California and New York have free college? Then hell, what's the problem? We already have this, right? What is it that you are complaining about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    If free education is so good and so many Democrats want it, why hasn't it passed in any of the 6 states controlled by Democrats? State taxes could be raised to pay for it.
    California and New York offer free college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Oh wait, California and New York have free college? Then hell, what's the problem? We already have this, right? What is it that you are complaining about?
    Well, to borrow something you say, "if they can do it, why can't your state?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Well, to borrow something you say, "if they can do it, why can't your state?"

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    My state, Georgia has done it. We have free college through the HOPE scholarship and HOPE grants. It is paid for by the lottery, but we have high requirements, 3.0 GPA to get it and stay in it. And my state is controlled by Republicans. My question is, if this is such a good idea, why aren't Democrat controlled states doing it in their states? Don't want to pay the taxes involved?

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