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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelope View Post
    An economy that depends on poorly paid workers facing constant threats from dangerous machinery and heat stroke is an economy that deserves to die in a meteor impact-induced fireball.
    I would rather have an economy where robots are picking the strawberries, and humans have jobs that are safer, more interesting, and better paid. And then, as a bonus, the humans get to enjoy the strawberries.

    And I DO love strawberries!
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    He's a moron with plenty of followers. He and most democrats are willing to help illegals and third world poor at the expense of Americans. They won't help the poor with their money by giving to charity.
    Thats the idea, promote fighting amongst the peeps for scraps from the table.

    Using the IRS data, The Chronicle was able to track gifts to charity at the state, county, metropolitan-area, and ZIP code levels. The data were for gifts to charity among taxpayers who itemize deductions on their tax forms. It captured $180-billion that was given to charity in 2012, or about 80 percent of the total amount given to charity as tabulated by "Giving USA."

    The Chronicle study found that Americans give, on average, about 3 percent of their income to charity, a figure that has not budged significantly for decades. However, that figure belies big differences in giving patterns between the rich and the poor.

    The wealthiest Americans—those who earned $200,000 or more—reduced the share of income they gave to charity by 4.6 percent from 2006 to 2012. Meanwhile, Americans who earned less than $100,000 chipped in 4.5 percent more of their income during the same time period. Middle- and lower-income Americans increased the share of income they donated to charity, even as they earned less, on average, than they did six years earlier.

    https://www.philanthropy.com/article...r-Share/152481
    Perhaps the 1% needs a dose of economic hardship to develop compassion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Thats the idea, promote fighting amongst the peeps for scraps from the table.

    Perhaps the 1% needs a dose of economic hardship to develop compassion.
    Historically, the 1% has never shown much sign of developing compassion until they are facing the guillotine.

    And even then, their compassion is mostly for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    cool. It's all good. He has a lot of interesting ideas.
    Just hope he doesn't run for president again.

    The CIA kills people you see - to steal their oil, gas resources ...



    FYI : If you ever want to find out the TRUTH about a subject - look at the money trail - who finances it ...

    e.g. the Syrian rebels ( CIA ), Democracy Now ( Soros, Ford Foudation, CIA ), Centre for American Progress ( Soros, Corporate sponsors, CIA linked Foundations ), PBS / Pacifica Radio / NPR ( Soros, Corporate sponsors, CIA linked Foundations ) and so on



    What is the point if ( funded by the same Corp. Elites ) Bernie discusses ' economic equality ' a truly, nebulous, arcane concept in practice, while the CIA uses your tax dollars to slaughter 500,000 innocent people in Syria, while Sanders rambles on about Wall Street ?

    Apparently, Bernie fans ( and Americans in general ) cannot tell the difference between an Astroturf political celebrity group ( Sanders ) created by Corporate America, the Centre for American Progress, ( a Corporate DNC front group ), and a real grass roots campaign funded entirely by the people.

    The so called ' Independant ' Bernie loved taking big Defense dollars, how much real change do these folkes think they are going to get from a Corporatized Astroturf political movement such as Bernie Sanders was ?





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    FAT CATS

    Bernie Sanders made more than $1 million last year—here's how much it takes to be in the top 1%

    "Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders had a surprisingly good financial year in 2016. While the Democratic socialist was warning against the concentration of wealth in the hands of "the top 1 percent," he was also joining their ranks.

    Though his annual income of $200,000 still makes him one of the least wealthy senators, "the former Democratic presidential candidate made some $858,750 off book royalties alone last year," Newsweek reports. "Combined with his Senate salary, he likely cleared $1 million in earnings."

    That would place Sanders — whose website says that "the issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time" — in the unusual position of being among the top 1 percent of earners in the U.S. "


    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/bern...1-percent.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline
    Well, of course the working poor contribute, massively. What do you think strawberries would cost if farm workers were paid middle class wages and benefits? How about a nursing home staffed by $45,000 a year workers, and up?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelope View Post
    An economy that depends on poorly paid workers facing constant threats from dangerous machinery and heat stroke is an economy that deserves to die in a meteor impact-induced fireball.
    "I don't have a good response to this, so I'll just throw a tantrum and wish for the country's annihilation."
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    The CIA kills people you see - to steal their oil, gas resources ...



    FYI : If you ever want to find out the TRUTH about a subject - look at the money trail - who finances it ...

    e.g. the Syrian rebels ( CIA ), Democracy Now ( Soros, Ford Foudation, CIA ), Centre for American Progress ( Soros, Corporate sponsors, CIA linked Foundations ), PBS / Pacifica Radio / NPR ( Soros, Corporate sponsors, CIA linked Foundations ) and so on



    What is the point if ( funded by the same Corp. Elites ) Bernie discusses ' economic equality ' a truly, nebulous, arcane concept in practice, while the CIA uses your tax dollars to slaughter 500,000 innocent people in Syria, while Sanders rambles on about Wall Street ?

    Apparently, Bernie fans ( and Americans in general ) cannot tell the difference between an Astroturf political celebrity group ( Sanders ) created by Corporate America, the Centre for American Progress, ( a Corporate DNC front group ), and a real grass roots campaign funded entirely by the people.

    The so called ' Independant ' Bernie loved taking big Defense dollars, how much real change do these folkes think they are going to get from a Corporatized Astroturf political movement such as Bernie Sanders was ?





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    Bernie Sanders made more than $1 million last year—here's how much it takes to be in the top 1%

    "Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders had a surprisingly good financial year in 2016. While the Democratic socialist was warning against the concentration of wealth in the hands of "the top 1 percent," he was also joining their ranks.

    Though his annual income of $200,000 still makes him one of the least wealthy senators, "the former Democratic presidential candidate made some $858,750 off book royalties alone last year," Newsweek reports. "Combined with his Senate salary, he likely cleared $1 million in earnings."

    That would place Sanders — whose website says that "the issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time" — in the unusual position of being among the top 1 percent of earners in the U.S. "


    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/bern...1-percent.html
    Is your point that being a successful author disqualifies him from speaking about income inequality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Is your point that being a successful author disqualifies him from speaking about income inequality?


    NOPE.

    Just telling you how phony wealthy Liberals - Bernie Sanders, Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, and Tyler Perry are - and they don't even use union workers either:

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - ABC News

    Michael Moore, a hypocritical union buster

    "While liberals cheer left-wing documentary filmmaker Michael Moore for his remarks on Saturday in Wisconsin, the supposed pro-union filmmaker still has much to explain about his own union busting history.

    ( edit )

    For all of Mr. Moore’s pro-union bravado, writers who worked for him on the NBC television show TV Nation described the film director as more of a selfish union busting boss than anything else. The New Yorker interviewed former staff writers of Mr. Moore’s in 2004 who painted a picture of a merciless individual who is only acting out the role of a liberal savior for his fans in the public but behaves much differently in private ..."

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-union-buster/

    ....


    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment?

    "The Perry company’s alleged union-busting activities were kept secret until last night when at 4 pm PT the WGA West issued a surprise news release about what had gone on for the past six months inside his production company, House of Payne, LLC. That same day, the guild filed unfair labor practice charges with the NLRB, alleging that House of Payne unlawfully fired four writers in retaliation for their union activity. "

    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment? | Deadline



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    BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    By John Maggs, National Journal (6/5/2004)

    "Selvaggio echoed the idea that the firing of the staff had a good deal to do with Nader's need to control things. "He really was a micromanager." But at the same time, she said, Nader and others around "didn't want their workers to organize."

    Despite her bad memories of the 1984 incident and after a lot of deliberation, Selvaggio says she voted for Nader in 2000. "I was voting in Maryland, which I knew was going to go Democratic," and thus her vote wasn't going to be decisive. "Nader still stands for a lot of things I believe in." At the same time in 1984, a better-known corner of the Nader empire was considering a similar vote on unionization. Public Citizen employees were unhappy with the lack of benefits and with the demands that managers placed on them. There was discussion of a referendum on affiliating with an outside union, according to Paul Levy, who is still an attorney with the group. Echoing Cavanagh and Nader's own arguments in The Post, Levy said the top managers of Public Citizen told the staff in 1984 that they had no need for a union, because the organization was run differently from a business. "They seemed to think that they were immune from labor-management conflict," Levy said"

    MONEY DOESN'T TALK, IT SWEARS...: BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    Ralph Nader is No Saint

    "The story goes that Ralph Nader's unemployed, high school graduate brother was able to save enough pennies on his own in the early 1970's, that he could afford to purchase a $100,000 home in an exclusive Washington neighborhood. Of course, Ralph was repeatedly seen sneaking into the house at night, but hay, he was only there to visit his brother, right? Later the deed to the house found its way into the hands of my former boss, Nader's sister Claire. Everyone knew that Ralph had rented a single room with a bathroom down the hall. For many years, everyone knew that Ralph lived a lifestyle which made Mother Teresa's lifestyle look luxurious in contrast."


    The Nuclear Green Revolution: Ralph Nader is No Saint
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    NOPE.

    Just telling you how phony wealthy Liberals - Bernie Sanders, Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, and Tyler Perry are - and they don't even use union workers either:

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - ABC News

    Michael Moore, a hypocritical union buster

    "While liberals cheer left-wing documentary filmmaker Michael Moore for his remarks on Saturday in Wisconsin, the supposed pro-union filmmaker still has much to explain about his own union busting history.

    ( edit )

    For all of Mr. Moore’s pro-union bravado, writers who worked for him on the NBC television show TV Nation described the film director as more of a selfish union busting boss than anything else. The New Yorker interviewed former staff writers of Mr. Moore’s in 2004 who painted a picture of a merciless individual who is only acting out the role of a liberal savior for his fans in the public but behaves much differently in private ..."

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-union-buster/

    ....


    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment?

    "The Perry company’s alleged union-busting activities were kept secret until last night when at 4 pm PT the WGA West issued a surprise news release about what had gone on for the past six months inside his production company, House of Payne, LLC. That same day, the guild filed unfair labor practice charges with the NLRB, alleging that House of Payne unlawfully fired four writers in retaliation for their union activity. "

    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment? | Deadline



    ....

    BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    By John Maggs, National Journal (6/5/2004)

    "Selvaggio echoed the idea that the firing of the staff had a good deal to do with Nader's need to control things. "He really was a micromanager." But at the same time, she said, Nader and others around "didn't want their workers to organize."

    Despite her bad memories of the 1984 incident and after a lot of deliberation, Selvaggio says she voted for Nader in 2000. "I was voting in Maryland, which I knew was going to go Democratic," and thus her vote wasn't going to be decisive. "Nader still stands for a lot of things I believe in." At the same time in 1984, a better-known corner of the Nader empire was considering a similar vote on unionization. Public Citizen employees were unhappy with the lack of benefits and with the demands that managers placed on them. There was discussion of a referendum on affiliating with an outside union, according to Paul Levy, who is still an attorney with the group. Echoing Cavanagh and Nader's own arguments in The Post, Levy said the top managers of Public Citizen told the staff in 1984 that they had no need for a union, because the organization was run differently from a business. "They seemed to think that they were immune from labor-management conflict," Levy said"

    MONEY DOESN'T TALK, IT SWEARS...: BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    Ralph Nader is No Saint

    "The story goes that Ralph Nader's unemployed, high school graduate brother was able to save enough pennies on his own in the early 1970's, that he could afford to purchase a $100,000 home in an exclusive Washington neighborhood. Of course, Ralph was repeatedly seen sneaking into the house at night, but hay, he was only there to visit his brother, right? Later the deed to the house found its way into the hands of my former boss, Nader's sister Claire. Everyone knew that Ralph had rented a single room with a bathroom down the hall. For many years, everyone knew that Ralph lived a lifestyle which made Mother Teresa's lifestyle look luxurious in contrast."


    The Nuclear Green Revolution: Ralph Nader is No Saint
    What does the above have to do with bernie sanders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    NOPE.

    Just telling you how phony wealthy Liberals - Bernie Sanders, Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, and Tyler Perry are - and they don't even use union workers either:

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

    Michael Moore Snubs Union Workers in Making 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - ABC News

    Michael Moore, a hypocritical union buster

    "While liberals cheer left-wing documentary filmmaker Michael Moore for his remarks on Saturday in Wisconsin, the supposed pro-union filmmaker still has much to explain about his own union busting history.

    ( edit )

    For all of Mr. Moore’s pro-union bravado, writers who worked for him on the NBC television show TV Nation described the film director as more of a selfish union busting boss than anything else. The New Yorker interviewed former staff writers of Mr. Moore’s in 2004 who painted a picture of a merciless individual who is only acting out the role of a liberal savior for his fans in the public but behaves much differently in private ..."

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-union-buster/

    ....


    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment?

    "The Perry company’s alleged union-busting activities were kept secret until last night when at 4 pm PT the WGA West issued a surprise news release about what had gone on for the past six months inside his production company, House of Payne, LLC. That same day, the guild filed unfair labor practice charges with the NLRB, alleging that House of Payne unlawfully fired four writers in retaliation for their union activity. "

    Tyler Perry's Alleged Role As Union Buster Becoming Big Obama Embarrassment? | Deadline



    ....

    BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    By John Maggs, National Journal (6/5/2004)

    "Selvaggio echoed the idea that the firing of the staff had a good deal to do with Nader's need to control things. "He really was a micromanager." But at the same time, she said, Nader and others around "didn't want their workers to organize."

    Despite her bad memories of the 1984 incident and after a lot of deliberation, Selvaggio says she voted for Nader in 2000. "I was voting in Maryland, which I knew was going to go Democratic," and thus her vote wasn't going to be decisive. "Nader still stands for a lot of things I believe in." At the same time in 1984, a better-known corner of the Nader empire was considering a similar vote on unionization. Public Citizen employees were unhappy with the lack of benefits and with the demands that managers placed on them. There was discussion of a referendum on affiliating with an outside union, according to Paul Levy, who is still an attorney with the group. Echoing Cavanagh and Nader's own arguments in The Post, Levy said the top managers of Public Citizen told the staff in 1984 that they had no need for a union, because the organization was run differently from a business. "They seemed to think that they were immune from labor-management conflict," Levy said"

    MONEY DOESN'T TALK, IT SWEARS...: BOSS NADER - or how I was fired by Ralph Nader for union organizing and lived to tell about it

    Ralph Nader is No Saint

    "The story goes that Ralph Nader's unemployed, high school graduate brother was able to save enough pennies on his own in the early 1970's, that he could afford to purchase a $100,000 home in an exclusive Washington neighborhood. Of course, Ralph was repeatedly seen sneaking into the house at night, but hay, he was only there to visit his brother, right? Later the deed to the house found its way into the hands of my former boss, Nader's sister Claire. Everyone knew that Ralph had rented a single room with a bathroom down the hall. For many years, everyone knew that Ralph lived a lifestyle which made Mother Teresa's lifestyle look luxurious in contrast."

    The Nuclear Green Revolution: Ralph Nader is No Saint
    From your Michael Moore link:

    Michael Moore used some non-union crewmembers when union workers were available in the production of his latest film "Capitalism: A Love Story," a documentary that argues the capitalist system allows for greedy corporations to exploit working-class people.

    "For all of the different jobs on the movie that could have used union labor, he used union labor, except for one job, the stagehands, represented by IATSE," said a labor source unauthorized to talk about Moore's decision not to hire members of The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.
    and

    Moore's admittedly left-leaning and darkly satiric films have long enraged conservatives, who have closely examined the director's expenses and business practices looking for signs of hypocrisy.

    Production costs for "Capitalism" have not been made public. "Sicko," his 2007 film about the healthcare industry cost $9 million to produce and earned $24.5 million at the box office. His 2004 film "Fahrenheit 9/11," about the Bush administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, cost $6 million and earned $119 million.
    I guess conservatives hit witch hunt pay dirt discovering Moore used SOME non union labor in making his films. AND, if that wasnt damning enough, his films were successful and made money.

    Oh, the shame of it all!

    Conservatives seem to hate it when liberals are creative, produce things and are successful, and create jobs.

    Where does this idea that being a good liberal means being poor come from? It is just plain nuts.

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