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    I don't need to assume. It's obvious. Old people are less likely to be adept and efficient with computer technology, but technology is how almost everything is done nowadays. That's not some random out-of-nowhere made-up comment. Look around.

    Technology skills threaten older worker's with long-term unemployment | Daily Mail Online
    Lack of computer skills foils many job-seekers - Technology & science | NBC News
    The Impact of Technological Change on Older Workers: Evidence from Data on Computer Use
    I love for you to tell that to Bill Gates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I love for you to tell that to Bill Gates.
    I’d be happy telling that to Bill Gates. He wouldn’t disagree with me. He says people are underestimating how many jobs will be lost to computers themselves as it is, so he’s not likely to disagree with me that older workers with weak computer skills are unsalvageable as employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I’d be happy telling that to Bill Gates. He wouldn’t disagree with me. He says people are underestimating how many jobs will be lost to computers themselves as it is, so he’s not likely to disagree with me that older workers with weak computer skills are unsalvageable as employees.
    Nonsense.
    But you always seem to support anything that hurts workers to make more for the rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Why do you assume older workers are less skilled?
    Wisdom and knowledge are very valuable in many places and older workers can certainly be great guides for younger workers. But I have to say, with fewer workers and an aging workforce, many companies are placing larger and larger responsibilities on older workers. Its hard to expect a lot of travel and overtime with older workers who are having medical issues and such. My spouse works with a guy who at 58 has blood clots, diabetes and high blood pressure and they want him to travel all the time. His doctor finally said, you just cant fly as much anymore, you are in danger of serious clots. Now he is terrified he will be let go. Unfortunately even as I am aging, I am beginning to see that a lot of work is a young persons game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I love for you to tell that to Bill Gates.
    Even Bill Gates admits he cant program anymore as the tech has gotten away from him. But he still advises and guides the company. But doing the whole cubicle, workload thing? No.
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    Not to mention that it makes no sense to expect a person to work until he drops, on the one hand; yet justify age discrimination in hiring and firing, on the other hand. Obviously, if one cannot get or hold a job due to age, then one cannot continue to work at all. It is simply a way of fixing problems by getting rid of people. It is not much of a "society" to love things and use people, rather than the reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not to mention that it makes no sense to expect a person to work until he drops, on the one hand; yet justify age discrimination in hiring and firing, on the other hand. Obviously, if one cannot get or hold a job due to age, then one cannot continue to work at all. It is simply a way of fixing problems by getting rid of people. It is not much of a "society" to love things and use people, rather than the reverse.
    I never understand why most companies dont make older workers, consultants or have them teach younger workers. Why do they expect the older people to work longer hours, travel and be in all places at once? I work with construction guys and I look around and see guys in their late 40s and 50s with bad knees, hearing loss, bad backs etc yet they have knowledge and skills that cant be compared. Why cant they instruct the new guys how to do things? Some do of course, but as I say we have such a critical shortage of young workers that these guys are up there doing things they really shouldnt be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I never understand why most companies dont make older workers, consultants or have them teach younger workers.
    Probably technology-related. Younger workers tend to have a better grasp on new technology than older ones, and even continuing education requirements do not always make up the difference.

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    Why do they expect the older people to work longer hours, travel and be in all places at once?
    To exhaust them so they quit and look for other jobs? Layoffs mean UI claims; voluntary resignations do not. Granted, a person might have a case for "constructive dismissal" in a particularly egregious situation, but chances are that sort of thing would be at least mitigated by the legal department (if not HR).

    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I work with construction guys and I look around and see guys in their late 40s and 50s with bad knees, hearing loss, bad backs etc yet they have knowledge and skills that cant be compared. Why cant they instruct the new guys how to do things? Some do of course, but as I say we have such a critical shortage of young workers that these guys are up there doing things they really shouldnt be.
    Not all fields are the same. In some, the skills and technology remain basically the same, while in others it explodes forward so fast even those in the field have trouble keeping up. Keep in mind that computer technology is functionally obsolete before it even hits the shelf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I wouldn’t see it as karma, I’d see it as validation of exactly what I’m saying. No one should feel entitled to a job for life. I certainly don’t feel that way. If you want to be someone else’s employee, that person should actually want to continue buying your services, not be forced to or practically have to go through a protracted legal process to be able to discontinue the employment relationship.
    What I said was a person should feel entitled to a work environment where the employee gets fair treatment from the employers for work well done, isn't fearful of being laid off at anytime, and there is mutual respect. We don't have that now and it's obvious you've had a sheltered life and don't realize what going on in the real world these days.

    Good day your ignorance infuriates me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Wisdom and knowledge are very valuable in many places and older workers can certainly be great guides for younger workers. But I have to say, with fewer workers and an aging workforce, many companies are placing larger and larger responsibilities on older workers. Its hard to expect a lot of travel and overtime with older workers who are having medical issues and such. My spouse works with a guy who at 58 has blood clots, diabetes and high blood pressure and they want him to travel all the time. His doctor finally said, you just cant fly as much anymore, you are in danger of serious clots. Now he is terrified he will be let go. Unfortunately even as I am aging, I am beginning to see that a lot of work is a young persons game.
    I dont disagree with you, but am asking if it makes sense to raise the retirement age.
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