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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    1) I roll my eyes at accusations of age discrimination. Any policy that affects one age group of Americans badly while benefiting another age group of Americans can be said to be "age discrimination." Pensions are age discrimination. Social Security and Medicare are age discrimination. Obamacare is age discrimination. Senior tax exemptions are age discrimination. Many policies are created specifically to cater to the monetary interests of the senior and near-senior demographic, which necessarily means greater cost and burden on younger Americans.

    2) Mother Jones is an extremely biased source of information, almost without exception.

    3) Ultimately, employers should be able to hire who they want and lay off who they don't need. The government should not be analyzing and surmising as to the motives behind employment decisions.

    If I have an 80,000 salaried benefited job, and my employer discovers it can replace me with a 21-year old immigrant from Bangladesh and pay him $15 an hour, should my employer be able to do that, even if my performance has been good? Yes. If a 21-year old immigrant willing to work for $15 an hour can do my job just as adequately as I can at a price that is far below what I'd be willing to accept for it, and they can trust that other person to do the job as well, and they want to, then they should hire that person. The cost vs. benefit to my employer is off the charts in favor of letting me go and hiring that other person. And what if they are wrong, the kid can't do my job adequately, but they do this anyway? Oh well. That is their prerogative. Organizations should be able to make their own decisions, and if those decisions might be bad ones, well that's how life goes.

    Government shouldn't be protecting companies from their own decisions by micromanaging employment decisions. Employers should be able to hire those best-suited to complete the job to the highest standard and/or most competitive total cost. Employers should not be stuck with just-okay types of people they decided to hire 15 years ago or have to go through a ridiculous years-long progressive discipline process to be able to let people go. Employment is not a marriage and should not be treated like one.
    Spoken like someone who has never lost their job and had troubles finding a new one.

    I hope your taxes go through the roof to pay for welfare benefits for the people who suffer under your Malthusian worldview.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Good grief! If age discrimination should be legal, why not gender? Race? Religion?

    In your view, workers should have no rights whatsoever.
    Neomalthusian has a long, long, long history of saying workers should have no rights at all. He shills for the rich more than any living being ever could... and for free, no less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I dont disagree with you, but am asking if it makes sense to raise the retirement age.
    Theoretically yes it does. We supposedly are living longer and I guess there is sense there. But in reality no. I mean sure if you want to sit in a cubicle or desk job its possible. But a job requiring physical labor? That is hard. Also as I am aging, I am finding out one has to see the doctor more and have seen colleagues in their late 50s with issues where they have to take time off quite often to see the doctor. That only increases with age. No easy answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    Judging by your Avatar, you don't look too bad. Kind of the outdoor type I would guess.
    Well, DF, I do appreciate the thought but we all know guys my age become invisible. I'm the oldest guy working here. I've become a ghost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Theoretically yes it does. We supposedly are living longer and I guess there is sense there. But in reality no. I mean sure if you want to sit in a cubicle or desk job its possible. But a job requiring physical labor? That is hard. Also as I am aging, I am finding out one has to see the doctor more and have seen colleagues in their late 50s with issues where they have to take time off quite often to see the doctor. That only increases with age. No easy answer.
    That depends upon the demographics as some of us are most decidedly not living longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelope View Post
    Spoken like someone who has never lost their job and had troubles finding a new one.
    Losing my job wouldnít turn me into an entitled crybaby. Thatís a non-circumstantial individual psychological problem.

    I hope your taxes go through the roof to pay for welfare benefits for the people who suffer
    Our taxes, you mean. The federal government is not required to raise taxes to pay for better welfare programming and assistance.

    Neomalthusian has a long, long, long history of saying workers should have no rights at all.
    You have a long long history of spouting absolute bullshit. Itís based on your poor reading comprehension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Losing my job wouldn’t turn me into an entitled crybaby. That’s a non-circumstantial individual psychological problem.

    Our taxes, you mean. The federal government is not required to raise taxes to pay for better welfare programming and assistance.

    You have a long long history of spouting absolute bullshit. It’s based on your poor reading comprehension.
    The entitled class are those who want the accoutrements of civilization without the tax burden necessary to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Losing my job wouldn’t turn me into an entitled crybaby. That’s a non-circumstantial individual psychological problem.



    Our taxes, you mean. The federal government is not required to raise taxes to pay for better welfare programming and assistance.



    You have a long long history of spouting absolute bullshit. It’s based on your poor reading comprehension.
    I don't mind paying more taxes to support the poor. It's going to be you that's crying when the exploding numbers of poor people start stealing your car and stuff and you have to pay for more cops and prisons or pay for more welfare to keep them at bay. Or when your job gets outsourced, or automated, you'll be one of those masses. Tends to happen to those that think they're invulnerable...

    As for my history, dude, no one here posts more uneducated, spineless garbage than you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The entitled class are those who want the accoutrements of civilization without the tax burden necessary to pay for it.
    Oooh. Tyrannosaurus REKT. Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The entitled class are those who want the accoutrements of civilization without the tax burden necessary to pay for it.
    You mean like rich heirs, for example? Yes I'm sure a lot of them have significant psychological issues related to their sense of entitlement too. I'm not defending or excusing the rich entitled snobs of the world. But what I say about employment is today's real world, and whining about it like a little baby and expecting employment to be a 30-year career with no challenges or potential for being laid off and then retiring at 60 to live off of a pension for the next 30 years.. is a pointless, delusional, denial-based thought process.

    The future of employment is going to be competitive, dynamic, continuously and rapidly changing. It was much less this way from, say, the 1950s to the 1990s. The future will be without employment guarantees like pensions and decades of job security. It already is, significantly. Whining about that reality doesn't change it.

    To read these harsh reality-based comments and claim that I'm the sheltered one with no concept of reality, as Enigma suggested, is beyond ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelope View Post
    I don't mind paying more taxes to support the poor.
    I'm sure we will have to, over time, although the federal government doesn't exactly need to tax every dollar it intends to spend on welfare provision.

    It's going to be you that's crying when the exploding numbers of poor people start stealing your car...
    No matter how many times over the years I explain to you how stupid this argumentum ad baculum fallacy is, you just keep deploying it.

    Or when your job gets outsourced, or automated, you'll be one of those masses. Tends to happen to those that think they're invulnerable...
    You really have no idea what you're talking about, as usual, and rather just spout blindly angry comments. I'm the one acknowledging the inherent vulnerability in employment, arguing that one simply cannot expect permanent job security anymore. That includes myself. I'm not here saying "I get permanent job security, but the rest of you don't." You need to wake up to reality. You're just the one that bitches and hurls personal insults, presumably because these reality-based observations conflict with your sense of entitlement.

    As for my history, dude, no one here posts more uneducated, spineless garbage than you do.
    That's really funny, coming from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You mean like rich heirs, for example? Yes I'm sure a lot of them have significant psychological issues related to their sense of entitlement too. I'm not defending or excusing the rich entitled snobs of the world. But what I say about employment is today's real world, and whining about it like a little baby and expecting employment to be a 30-year career with no challenges or potential for being laid off and then retiring at 60 to live off of a pension for the next 30 years.. is a pointless, delusional, denial-based thought process.

    The future of employment is going to be competitive, dynamic, continuously and rapidly changing. It was much less this way from, say, the 1950s to the 1990s. The future will be without employment guarantees like pensions and decades of job security. It already is, significantly. Whining about that reality doesn't change it.

    To read these harsh reality-based comments and claim that I'm the sheltered one with no concept of reality, as Enigma suggested, is beyond ironic.
    How does that work in the social reality where families exist?

    You do live in Alaska were every resident, regardless of age, gets an unearned check from government.
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