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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    And predictably, the Council's resident extremist attacks the mayor for her "cowardly betrayal of our movement." Eat crow, Sawant.

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    Amazon may just need to move its headquarters to somewhere that is more tax friendly toward them. Can you see Amazon moving to somewhere like Texas with no state income taxes, or New Hampshire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Amazon may just need to move its headquarters to somewhere that is more tax friendly toward them. Can you see Amazon moving to somewhere like Texas with no state income taxes, or New Hampshire?
    I think Boston is an option. They are offering them no taxes for a decade and a bunch of other goodies. Its possible they will come there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think Boston is an option. They are offering them no taxes for a decade and a bunch of other goodies. Its possible they will come there.
    The price of real estate in Boston is far too high. Those that work in the headquarters would have to drive from outside the outer perimeter to be able to afford rent. They'd be driving from Providence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The price of real estate in Boston is far too high. Those that work in the headquarters would have to drive from outside the outer perimeter to be able to afford rent. They'd be driving from Providence.
    Maybe but they are giving them a dream offer. They did it with GE and they went for it. They have said they want an East Coast HQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The price of real estate in Boston is far too high. Those that work in the headquarters would have to drive from outside the outer perimeter to be able to afford rent. They'd be driving from Providence.
    Traffic is a disaster in Boston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Traffic is a disaster in Boston.
    You are not joking. That is why when I lived in Rhode Island, I tried to rarely go to Boston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Amazon may just need to move its headquarters to somewhere that is more tax friendly toward them. Can you see Amazon moving to somewhere like Texas with no state income taxes, or New Hampshire?
    I don't think Amazon is necessarily especially tax averse. I think they're averse to what's actually going on in Seattle right now, which is not merely a taxation issue. Except for the fact that it can't levy income taxes (state constitution), it is able to levy other taxes (and does). If it thinks it needs more revenue, it can raise those taxes. What's legally preventing Seattle from raising property taxes? Or better yet, what's legally preventing them from taxing property progressively? You want to move toward affordable housing, a progressive property tax would be a double-whammy toward that effort, by disincentivizing super spendy houses, and then using the extra revenue for denser housing projects.

    If this were merely a tax revenue issue, there are countless solutions, the easiest of which involve raising the taxes that are already levied. What's going on in Seattle is much more populist and radical, where ideas are put forth with the specific intent of fomenting class-based unrest and discord, vilifying corporations, and other underlying motives. The recent attempt at taxing the rich, which blatantly violated the state constitution and was predictable struck down by the courts accordingly, was not a revenue raising tactic, it was a legal tactic to try to challenge the state constitution against income taxes in court. The City Council is playing manipulative populist politics. It has nothing to do with their inability to come up with revenue or levy taxes. They can do that just fine. They have other goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I don't think Amazon is necessarily especially tax averse. I think they're averse to what's actually going on in Seattle right now, which is not merely a taxation issue. Except for the fact that it can't levy income taxes (state constitution), it is able to levy other taxes (and does). If it thinks it needs more revenue, it can raise those taxes. What's legally preventing Seattle from raising property taxes? Or better yet, what's legally preventing them from taxing property progressively? You want to move toward affordable housing, a progressive property tax would be a double-whammy toward that effort, by disincentivizing super spendy houses, and then using the extra revenue for denser housing projects.

    If this were merely a tax revenue issue, there are countless solutions, the easiest of which involve raising the taxes that are already levied. What's going on in Seattle is much more populist and radical, where ideas are put forth with the specific intent of fomenting class-based unrest and discord, vilifying corporations, and other underlying motives. The recent attempt at taxing the rich, which blatantly violated the state constitution and was predictable struck down by the courts accordingly, was not a revenue raising tactic, it was a legal tactic to try to challenge the state constitution against income taxes in court. The City Council is playing manipulative populist politics. It has nothing to do with their inability to come up with revenue or levy taxes. They can do that just fine. They have other goals.
    In other words, it's a tax issue. Amazon isn't happy about a tax that was levied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    In other words, it's a tax issue. Amazon isn't happy about a tax that was levied.
    No one is ever happy about new taxes or increased taxes.

    If Iím the government and I raise taxes in general with the argument that I need the money to cover debt service and fund important projects, thatís one thing. But if I raise taxes with an attitude of vindictiveness and retaliation, arguing that your business in particular is creating social problems and that you personally are a bully, thatís something else.

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