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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Then why don't companies do it?

    If it's so affordable I see no reason why companies couldn't start offering these alternative sources of energy to consumers at a cheaper price. What's stopping them?
    Well, in the west, we've had electricity and all for the 100 year ball park.

    So, solar is competing against more energy dense options, and really only edging out the competition will see the product massively adopted.

    It's different when there's no power at all, why build all these plants when you just power the equipment you need?

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    I love renewables. One day, this planet will run on nothing except for clean energy. The real catalyst for this will be batteries that are quick charging that can hold high amounts of electricity. At some point, all cars will be plug-in electric. That time is fast approaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I love renewables. One day, this planet will run on nothing except for clean energy.
    Right!
    The day that the human parasite is eradicated from the planet, maybe...

    Abandoned by Man, Reclaimed by Nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It would seem that you did not even bother to read the linked article. Here is an excerpt:

    "Furthermore, these solutions are absolutely affordable, especially given the sinking costs of wind and solar power," says Professor Christian Breyer of Lappeenranta University of Technology, who co-authored the response.

    Brown cites the worst-case solution of hydrogen or synthetic gas produced with renewable electricity for times when imports, hydroelectricity, batteries, and other storage fail to bridge the gap during low wind and solar periods during the winter. For maintaining stability there is a series of technical solutions, from rotating grid stabilisers to newer electronics-based solutions. The scientists have collected examples of best practice by grid operators from across the world, from Denmark to Tasmania.

    Furthermore, these solutions are absolutely affordable, especially given the sinking costs of wind and solar power.
    Not when you talk about commercial types that the electric company needs. The lower cost is for small personal units.

    There is also the fact of health problems

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...ng-people-sick

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    There are smaller turbines than that, but generally this is accurate, but talking of micro turbines. It's not like there's going to be huge power demand.

    I was thinkin more for solar. If it's solar or nothing, it's easier to buy a few panels to start than the millions for a gas generator that depends on supply lines.

    Solar will take up to much land. Are you going to demand people install them like communist California is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Then why don't companies do it?

    If it's so affordable I see no reason why companies couldn't start offering these alternative sources of energy to consumers at a cheaper price. What's stopping them?

    Profit they will lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Well, in the west, we've had electricity and all for the 100 year ball park.

    So, solar is competing against more energy dense options, and really only edging out the competition will see the product massively adopted.

    It's different when there's no power at all, why build all these plants when you just power the equipment you need?
    There is not enough room for the panels needed unless you stop producing food

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I love renewables. One day, this planet will run on nothing except for clean energy. The real catalyst for this will be batteries that are quick charging that can hold high amounts of electricity. At some point, all cars will be plug-in electric. That time is fast approaching.
    Will never happen unless you produce no food

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Problem is they are already using many acres of farm land

    https://grist.org/article/brown-something/
    From your link:

    Farmers and ranchers in the United States are discovering that they own not only land, but also the wind rights that accompany it. A farmer in Iowa who leases a quarter acre of cropland to the local utility as a site for a wind turbine can typically earn $2,000 a year in royalties from the electricity produced. In a good year, that same plot can produce $100 worth of corn.

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    One of the attractions of wind energy is that the turbines scattered across a farm or ranch do not interfere with the use of the land for farming or cattle grazing. Farmers can literally have their cake and eat it too.
    Sounds like a win-win to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    From your link:



    Sounds like a win-win to me.
    If you keep doing this they will not have enough land to produce crops. As always you show your ignorance

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