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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    A local community has installed a solar system with micro wind turbines mounted on the back of the solar array. The system takes up little space, lives in harmony with cows, has reduced their utility bills by 75%, and provides constant power during outages.
    Showproof. I have not heard of any lower electric bills. For instance wind turbines on wind farms cause over a Million dollars each show there is no lowering of electric bills until those are paid for

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Showproof. I have not heard of any lower electric bills. For instance wind turbines on wind farms cause over a Million dollars each show there is no lowering of electric bills until those are paid for
    there is always a "break even" point in a capital investment. after the saving pay for the investment, then you get the rewards of no electricity bill from then on. yes, it involves an investment up front - any business understands that. depending on the electric company you deal wuth, you may, after the break even point (or even during that time depending on usage), get a check from the electric company instead of a bill for "on-grid" systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Solar will take up to much land. Are you going to demand people install them like communist California is doing?
    In the context of the OP, it was looking specifically at Africa.

    So, we are talking in a context where the majority of people have no power at all, and nothing that runs on electricity.

    That's going to have different considerations than when looking at the North American or European grids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    there is always a "break even" point in a capital investment. after the saving pay for the investment, then you get the rewards of no electricity bill from then on. yes, it involves an investment up front - any business understands that. depending on the electric company you deal wuth, you may, after the break even point (or even during that time depending on usage), get a check from the electric company instead of a bill for "on-grid" systems.
    It does never happen. They break and wear out. You show you have no grip on reality

    You are not looking at the cost or the land needed. There are many wind farms now and they provide only 5% of the energy. This is a liberal pipe dream that is unlikely to happen for many decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    In the context of the OP, it was looking specifically at Africa.

    So, we are talking in a context where the majority of people have no power at all, and nothing that runs on electricity.

    That's going to have different considerations than when looking at the North American or European grids.
    That is the point. The reality that it can happen is far far away

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It does never happen. They break and wear out. You show you have no grip on reality

    You are not looking at the cost or the land needed. There are many wind farms now and they provide only 5% of the energy. This is a liberal pipe dream that is unlikely to happen for many decades
    suit your self. personally, I'm waiting for quotes to install solar panels on my roof. I'm in a great location - my house faces East and the back of it faces West. sun all day when it shines. I figure the initial cost will be around $20,000 and the system will pay for itself in about 4.7 years. after that, the electric company will have to send me a check instead of a bill. but, as I said, you can continue to pollute the earth and pay the electric company for it if you wish - it's a free country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    suit your self. personally, I'm waiting for quotes to install solar panels on my roof. I'm in a great location - my house faces East and the back of it faces West. sun all day when it shines. I figure the initial cost will be around $20,000 and the system will pay for itself in about 4.7 years. after that, the electric company will have to send me a check instead of a bill. but, as I said, you can continue to pollute the earth and pay the electric company for it if you wish - it's a free country.
    Umm... Is electricity in your area particularly expensive?

    Whoever ran those numbers for you, did they walk you through the conclusions?

    I ask because something about those numbers smells off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    suit your self. personally, I'm waiting for quotes to install solar panels on my roof. I'm in a great location - my house faces East and the back of it faces West. sun all day when it shines. I figure the initial cost will be around $20,000 and the system will pay for itself in about 4.7 years. after that, the electric company will have to send me a check instead of a bill. but, as I said, you can continue to pollute the earth and pay the electric company for it if you wish - it's a free country.
    So you want to put the electric company out of business. Good luck with that

    I hope you don't get sick

    http://www.eiwellspring.org/solaremfhazard.pdf

    Experts warn about potential dangers of solar panels - WFSB 3 Connecticut

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Umm... Is electricity in your area particularly expensive?

    Whoever ran those numbers for you, did they walk you through the conclusions?

    I ask because something about those numbers smells off.
    my power usage is low - well under 1000 KWA per month. I use propane gas to cook. and yes, they did walk me through the numbers. I also live in the South and the sun shines most all day. I will also opt for a battery backup system because I'm near the coast. I might save some money and install the system myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you want to put the electric company out of business. Good luck with that

    I hope you don't get sick

    http://www.eiwellspring.org/solaremfhazard.pdf

    Experts warn about potential dangers of solar panels - WFSB 3 Connecticut
    not my problem. I'm thinking the electric company has gotten their share over the years. if they can't compete, then they will simply be forced to either lower their rates or go out of business.
    EDIT: not to worry about sickness, as I'll simply go to the doctor and let my Medicare advantage plan pay for it.
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