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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    They do. Maybe not where you live, but PG&E in northern California offers a choice.
    That's not a very good example considering California is required by law to obtain at least 33% of its electricity from renewable resources by 2020. So by pointing to California you are really just making my point for me as laws were required there to actually make it happen. It certainly didn't come about naturally due it's affordability... even in a State like California which has some of the highest energy costs in the nation I should add.

    If these sources of energy truly were so affordable and competitive on the market then states would not need laws forcing their production. So thanks for pointing this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    my power usage is low - well under 1000 KWA per month. I use propane gas to cook. and yes, they did walk me through the numbers. I also live in the South and the sun shines most all day. I will also opt for a battery backup system because I'm near the coast. I might save some money and install the system myself.
    Thanks... I still think you are overestimating the break even point, I'd estimate (using assumptions ) that it would be in the 10-15 years range, assuming little to no maintenance.

    Edit: 10-15 years is still a positive outlook for yourself, because the panels tend to break down around 20 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Thanks... I still think you are overestimating the break even point, I'd estimate (using assumptions ) that it would be in the 10-15 years range, assuming little to no maintenance.

    Edit: 10-15 years is still a positive outlook for yourself, because the panels tend to break down around 20 years...
    not to worry. while I wait for the break-even point, I'll still be getting discounts from the electric company as they must pay me or discount my bill if usage is more than production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    not my problem. I'm thinking the electric company has gotten their share over the years. if they can't compete, then they will simply be forced to either lower their rates or go out of business.
    EDIT: not to worry about sickness, as I'll simply go to the doctor and let my Medicare advantage plan pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    That's not a very good example considering California is required by law to obtain at least 33% of its electricity from renewable resources by 2020. So by pointing to California you are really just making my point for me as laws were required there to actually make it happen. It certainly didn't come about naturally due it's affordability... even in a State like California which has some of the highest energy costs in the nation I should add.

    If these sources of energy truly were so affordable and competitive on the market then states would not need laws forcing their production. So thanks for pointing this out.
    California not wants all to have solar power

    http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...s-on-new-homes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    California not wants all to have solar power

    http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...s-on-new-homes
    That was the point I was trying to make. These renewable sources are being used in California because they are mandated by law. It isn't because they are so affordable.

    That being said: I'm not against states pursuing these kind of policies. Solar energy might actually be an option in places like California which has plenty of sunshine. But in other more cloudy areas of the country it's just not a realistic option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    That was the point I was trying to make. These renewable sources are being used in California because they are mandated by law. It isn't because they are so affordable.

    That being said: I'm not against states pursuing these kind of policies. Solar energy might actually be an option in places like California which has plenty of sunshine. But in other more cloudy areas of the country it's just not a realistic option.
    We have had little sunshine in the sunshine state for a week now and still it is raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    not to worry. while I wait for the break-even point, I'll still be getting discounts from the electric company as they must pay me or discount my bill if usage is more than production.
    Oh... Most of those deals aren't really as good as the companies make it sound. You would actually most likely be better served by having a battery backup sized appropriate and just cutting ties to the utility. Although, that's a decision with pros and cons, and naturally, some regions have the code written that requires a grid connection to a residence.

    Anyway, that's what solar panels are good for, is load shedding / individual consumption. Then it's like pre payment. For grid scale production, anything much further north than Texas and it's much more limited in potential vs costs.

    Which is why going straight to small scale production to make life easier in places like Africa, where there is no grid would be useful... Could have a communal water pump powered by a couple of panels. Or whatever would make things better for them... There's no reason why they can't build up with renewable energy in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    We have had little sunshine in the sunshine state for a week now and still it is raining.
    I grew up in Florida and there were a few houses where I lived who were powered by solar panels - and that was a long time ago so I suspect the technology has advanced since then. That being said - I also lived on the gulf coast and right on the beach so my community got plenty of sunshine.

    It probably depends on where in the state you live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Showproof. I have not heard of any lower electric bills. For instance wind turbines on wind farms cause over a Million dollars each show there is no lowering of electric bills until those are paid for
    A micro wind turbine certainly doesnt cost anywhere close to a million dollars.

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