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    Quote Originally Posted by Supposn View Post
    I did not vote for a Democrat or a Republican 2017 presidential candidate or for their electoral college supporters. I indicated my rejection by voting for less than electable 3d party candidate, to demonstrate my opposition to the declared policies of both major parties and their candidates.

    I am not among those that squandered their votes in favor of candidates for which they had no confidence.

    Then you might as well have just stayed at home. Your vote didn't count.

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    All this in the midst of Trump trying to re-negotiate NAFTA

    Has Trump actually 'fixed' anything he set out to? Even the massive tax cuts were mostly initiated by the GOP Congress.

    So what has Trump got done? ...reversing Obama policy does not count. Even that is off someone else's shoulders.

    ...and for the Love of God, please don't say Gorsuch. Even that was a ...given on a silver platter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    From this morning, The US’s first, second and third biggest trading partners are now of one mind, with one shared goal.

    MAP.

    Make America Pay.
    and they will pay. but, it's gonna be the consumer who will pay the tab - not businesses.
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    Trump said he would blow everything up, his supporters wanted him to blow everything up, Trump is indeed blowing everything up. When he finishes, the best we can hope for is that his supporters can wake up from their self-induced myopia long enough to see the impact. I have lost all confidence in this generation of Americans ability to grasp fundamental tenets of the post WW2 world order, they are simply too ignorant of history to avoid repeating it. We no longer hold the position of the world's leader, we are now a rogue state filled with an angry mob that cannot and will not learn.

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    The real questions are not tariffs but how to make American manufactured products competitive on foreign markets. The USA export much less than other developped countries proportionally to their respective economical sizes and it is with other developped economies like the ones of Northern Europe not a question of difference in wages which would make American products more expensive than similar local ones. It is a structural problem which goes back to a lack of skilled manpower in the US, a lack of Investments and difficulties to adjust to other mentalities. So if you put tariffs on foreign imports you will not cure the causes of this problem but only give room for more profits for American manufacturers without being sure, that they will invest them in improving industrial performance. And there is a big risk of retaliation from countries which will have their exports taxed. Foreign companies will probably improve their own performance for going on exporting to the US. So it will be more a loose loose game than anything else at first than anything else but at the end who will be left behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Trump said he would blow everything up, his supporters wanted him to blow everything up, Trump is indeed blowing everything up. When he finishes, the best we can hope for is that his supporters can wake up from their self-induced myopia long enough to see the impact. I have lost all confidence in this generation of Americans ability to grasp fundamental tenets of the post WW2 world order, they are simply too ignorant of history to avoid repeating it. We no longer hold the position of the world's leader, we are now a rogue state filled with an angry mob that cannot and will not learn.
    There is truth here. A lot of people do indeed want it all blown up. Most were far rights and far lefts who hated the way things were but differed on how to fix it. However they both want to blow it up. Jill Stein has been suggesting that for years now. Trump then began asserting it himself. Its strange but I wonder if its getting worse not better? Will the next president be able to fix this? Will voters want to go back to how it was? I just dont know. Many didnt like the way things were going before Trump. Its happening worldwide. I almost can envision a shift in alliances and allies over the next decade or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    There is truth here. A lot of people do indeed want it all blown up. Most were far rights and far lefts who hated the way things were but differed on how to fix it. However they both want to blow it up. Jill Stein has been suggesting that for years now. Trump then began asserting it himself. Its strange but I wonder if its getting worse not better? Will the next president be able to fix this? Will voters want to go back to how it was? I just dont know. Many didnt like the way things were going before Trump. Its happening worldwide. I almost can envision a shift in alliances and allies over the next decade or so.
    Well, the corporate takeover of the world may need some dynamite but one nation at a time please. Tax policy works folks. Going after tax havens works. But the rest of it, nonsense. You may want change but be careful what you wish for, change can hurt. Again, read history folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    The real questions are not tariffs but how to make American manufactured products competitive on foreign markets. The USA export much less than other developped countries proportionally to their respective economical sizes and it is with other developped economies like the ones of Northern Europe not a question of difference in wages which would make American products more expensive than similar local ones.

    It is a structural problem which goes back to a lack of skilled manpower in the US, a lack of Investments and difficulties to adjust to other mentalities. So if you put tariffs on foreign imports you will not cure the causes of this problem but only give room for more profits for American manufacturers without being sure, that they will invest them in improving industrial performance. And there is a big risk of retaliation from countries which will have their exports taxed. Foreign companies will probably improve their own performance for going on exporting to the US. So it will be more a loose loose game than anything else at first than anything else but at the end who will be left behind.
    Galatin, We have differing viewpoints that account for some disagreements between us but your posts are often, (maybe usually) thought provoking. I doubt USA lacks commercial credit or our entrepreneurs lack willingness to risk, but that's certainly the case with our public credit.

    We do invest too heavily for into our military. For political motives we often invest into projects and hardware that our own military leaders do not consider to be worthy of such financial priority.
    We are much less willing to invest in our public and quasi-public infrastructure.

    Regarding spending for public and quasi-public infrastructure, your comment induced me to post “ Spending for public and quasi-public infrastructure: ”.

    Respectfully, Supposn

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    Growing U.S. trade deficit with China cost more than 2.7 million jobs between 2001 and 2011, with job losses in every state.

    https://www.epi.org/publication/bp34...-deficit-cost/

    China has reduced tariffs on certain commodities with the US as a result thus lowering the trade deficit and the left are not happy

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