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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That is not true. Walmart has significant benefits for employees. Quantify your statement. You say when they raised wages they cut hours, how many hours are full-time employees working at Walmart? Can you back up this cut with links?
    Walmart announces pay hike for employees and then cuts jobs.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/0...jobs-heres-why

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    Wal-Mart to Cut Thousands of Store-Management Roles

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mline-business

    And why 11 dollars a hour in nothing to brag about

    So, how generous is $11 an hour? I remember working in the trucking business in the early 1980s. There were trucker's helpers who would ride along and help load trucks and deliver furniture. They got a flat daily rate that worked out to $5 or $6 a 10- to 12-hour day.

    It was low pay. In 1983, the average hourly income was more than $8, according a Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis compilation of Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

    The Bureau of Labor CPI inflation calculator says that $5 in January 1983 was the equivalent of $12.60 in December 2017. The average wage in December was $22.30.

    In 1983, $5 an hour was poor pay and $11 is today.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikshe.../#2d7c95726660

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Yes you do, otherwise you would not call them "losers" all the time. You assume that many of them are off having babies that can't afford, with no shred of evidence to back that up. Yeah, $11 bucks an hour while the Walton Family are worth how much?

    And without those employees, your "favorite" store would cease to exist. So I find that pretty ironic.

    Major corps are doing well - even more so after the huge windfall they got from the GOP tax bill

    They need to step up and at least pay a living wage. Because 51 million people would actually spend that money, instead of using it to buy back stocks (like most of the major corps are doing).
    Another post that lies and twists my words. Let state it clearly so that you will have no misconceptions about my position. I do not think that Walmart workers are losers because they work for Walmart. I do not think any workers are losers because they are working. I think that people who make piss poor decisions expecting the employer to have to pay them a "living" wage despite how many bad decisions they make are losers. In other words, if you are a single parent of three or four kids, you have made some bad decisions. Your life shouldn't be as good as the person who waits to have children until they are established, whether that be in a two income home or working up past a starting wage.

    A living wage really smacks of from each according to his means to each according to his needs. Should I as an employer pay a single mother of four more than I pay a single person who lives at home? The latter has less needs than the former, therefore would need a smaller living wage, right? What's the reward for making good decisions in that system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    And why 11 dollars a hour in nothing to brag about
    Walmart pays well in excess of the minimum wage. Now it's time to start haranguing the mom & pop businesses that can't afford to compete with an $11 starting wage.

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    Funny enough, all those "poor people" buying cigs, booze and weed are funding multi-million dollar industries that requires countless workers to produce cigs, booze and weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That is not true. Your. post is a LIE. I do not loathe their employees. I detest people who make bad decisions then feel that we have a burden to bail them out. If someone chooses to have children while still working a starting wage job, that isn't a good decision.
    What total stupidity! You expect young people not to have children until they are middle aged? If you weren't such a fucking tightwad, you might learn something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    What total stupidity! You expect young people not to have children until they are middle aged? If you weren't such a fucking tightwad, you might learn something.
    I expect people to understand and make good decisions. If they decide to have three or four kids and are single, should they have it as easy as someone who waits a few more years, there are two working parents in the home that are established?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I dunno... EI last time I needed was 800 every 2 weeks, but that was years ago, so I rounded up.

    The point being, that it's a lot easier and more appealing to get welfare than it is to scrounge around with shit jobs till you have the experience needed to make more than you would make otherwise.
    What sort of welfare was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I expect people to understand and make good decisions. If they decide to have three or four kids and are single, should they have it as easy as someone who waits a few more years, there are two working parents in the home that are established?
    I don't agree with your way of wording it, but the concept, yeah. If one decides to try to create a support a family with no education or skills to do so, they are going to have a rough go of it, that is just how it works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Walmart pays well in excess of the minimum wage. Now it's time to start haranguing the mom & pop businesses that can't afford to compete with an $11 starting wage.
    Mmm, 11 a hour is NOT a living wage. So I guess you didn't even bother to read the forbes link?

    Not surprised because it does not conform to you bias,.

    And nice trying to pull back your comment about Wal Mart workers being "losers". Which you have posted numerous times here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I don't agree with your way of wording it, but the concept, yeah. If one decides to try to create a support a family with no education or skills to do so, they are going to have a rough go of it, that is just how it works out.
    I highly doubt all 51 million households have a bunch of kids and no work skills.
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