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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No, it isn't.
    Are you talking final dollars?

    If there was equal solar generation as equivalent oil production, solar would get a bigger government check.

    So, are we talking absolutes or percentages?

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    In some states even if you are disconnected from the grid and have solar you may still have to pay the electric utility to maintain infrastructure. The thinking being not everybody has solar and a shrinking market for utilities could cause them to fail, depriving non-solar users of electricity. I got a bill from PGE for $325 once because even though they said it wasn't a bill for usage, they needed the money from me and others to cover running costs, so the precedent is set I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    That's untrue.

    Yes, in dollars, oil gets more dollars. Solar gets vastly more percentage per kW in subsidies, but lots more oil than solar.

    Most solar operations north of around 30th parallel (the maps exist) require government subsidies to be profitable ventures.

    Solar needs to be next to the user to be really viable, but it's only actually worth it if disconnected from the grid. (Many places have passed laws to prevent that)
    Oil is also specifically subject to particularly onerous taxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Are you talking final dollars?

    If there was equal solar generation as equivalent oil production, solar would get a bigger government check.

    So, are we talking absolutes or percentages?
    Yes, in dollars, oil gets more dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Of course not. They don't have the kind of subsidies the oil industry gets.
    That's correct, solar gets real cash from the government, not imaginary subsidies that people claim the oil industry gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    In some states even if you are disconnected from the grid and have solar you may still have to pay the electric utility to maintain infrastructure. The thinking being not everybody has solar and a shrinking market for utilities could cause them to fail, depriving non-solar users of electricity. I got a bill from PGE for $325 once because even though they said it wasn't a bill for usage, they needed the money from me and others to cover running costs, so the precedent is set I suppose.

    Frankly, I find that hard to believe. You are billed for electricity in spite of not having electrical service?

    I'd need a citation to a credible source in order to buy into this assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Who knows? Starting any kind of new business is risky. He'll need more than just money to be successful. He'll need good luck.
    So far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Kind of bizarre actually..
    To some. This is perfectly inline with the stated downsizing. Musk has a knack for overdoing it - the term: If you are going to do something, overdo it - is common with leaders in similar positions. That notion, in action doesn't often jive with 90% of us or economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    And Tesla still has never had a profitable year...

    Maybe this will be the one?
    The profit will come when every car on the road is electric. Tesla (and Musk) appear to have bigger goals than "a great year"

    Investors get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    The profit will come when every car on the road is electric. Tesla (and Musk) appear to have bigger goals than "a great year"

    Investors get it.
    That won't happen for a VERY long time.

    Many decades, at least.

    Flux capacitors will be replacing electrics before all petroleum powered cars are off the road.

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