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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That's funny, have you ever been to China? Ecologically superior, that's funny. Do you know how much new coal fired electricity generation China is bringing on line this year?
    Actually China is working hard to transition from coal to LNG. Which makes China's blocking importing US produced LNG worrisome.

    Russia is building massive pipelines to the region to supple China well into the this century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Only in America.. do you call something "recycling".. by simply shipping it off-shore.

    This country ahs still no idea about recycling.. and I am very surprised. So much money to be made in it, I do not understand why the waste management industry has not picked up on it.

    12 years I am in this country now, and seeing the massive amounts of recyclable materials that still go into standard trash, every day, is mind blowing to me.

    Ecological concerns, the US barely has any until today. Not only has Europe shown them how to lead in that area for decades, now China will out perform the US on that topic as well.

    I can not recall when in Germany anyone would have last dumped a bottle, glass or plastic, into normal garbage for the last time. It's as illogical and unimaginable an action as to throw a burning cigarette butt into a garbage can.
    UK and the EU are also getting hit by China no longer accepting 'foreign garbage', altho their governments seems to be atleast talking about taking steps to alleviate the problem..



    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tic-waste-2030
    The EU is waging war against plastic waste as part of an urgent plan to clean up Europe’s act and ensure that every piece of packaging on the continent is reusable or recyclable by 2030.

    Following China’s decision to ban imports of foreign recyclable material, Brussels on Tuesday launched a plastics strategy designed to change minds in Europe, potentially tax damaging behaviour, and modernise plastics production and collection by investing €350m (£310m) in research.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...pollution-rise
    A ban on imports of millions of tonnes of plastic waste by the Chinese government from January could see an end to collection of some plastic in the UK and increase the risk of environmental pollution, according to key figures in the industry.

    Recycling companies say the imminent restrictions by China – the world’s biggest market for household waste – will pose big challenges to the UK’s efforts to recycle more plastic. Analysis of customs data by Greenpeace reveals British companies have shipped more than 2.7m tonnes of plastic waste to China and Hong Kong since 2012 – two-thirds of the UK’s total waste plastic exports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I read an article recently that explained that you need to look at the little triangle on the bottom of plastic bottles. In those triangles are numbers. Anything above a 3 is no longer recyclable in the US because China isn't taking a lot of our recycling anymore. All those things above a 3 are going into a landfill now. Brilliant.
    This feels weird.. I'm so used to sorting my garbage that it now feels weird that I'm dumping my plastics/glass/paper/metals into my regular trash bin. I really do hope my city comes up with a solution asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Actually China is working hard to transition from coal to LNG. Which makes China's blocking importing US produced LNG worrisome.

    Russia is building massive pipelines to the region to supple China well into the this century.
    Is China building new coal plants right now today, is China planning to build many more in upcoming years?

    Is that leadership?

    How much coal fired capacity has the USA took offline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    US cities scramble to rewrite rules on recycling after China restricts foreign garbage
    Tuesday, 03 July, 2018
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...ng-after-china
    China, which announced last summer that it would no longer accept “foreign garbage” as part of its broader anti-pollution campaign, initially blocked 24 types of solid waste and added 32 more varieties in April. Those will take effect by the end of next year. “The Chinese waste import restrictions have disrupted recycling programmes throughout the United States, and affected tens of millions of tonnes of scrap and recyclables since they were imposed,” said David Biderman, executive director of the Solid Waste Association of North America. “They are the most important change to these programmes in at least a decade.”
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    Has it impacted any of you guys yet? Some cities are going with the cheaper alternative of just sending the recyclables to waste-to-energy burn facilities, which I guess still sorta qualifies as recycling.

    I just got an email from my city.. effective July 9 our curbside recycling will stop. Current contract which ended this week was $50 a ton but that waste company was bought by WasteManagement which is now charging $100 a ton, so my city commissioners voted to not sign a contract, accusing WM of being a monopoly and extortion. sighs
    Its beginning here too. We arent recycling anymore and we have activists who now are questioning if going back to incinerating is helping at all, since that was what we used to do. We have a giant incinerator facility up north and it smelled pretty bad. Massive smokestacks for burning. Now it sounds like we might have to go back to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Its beginning here too. We arent recycling anymore and we have activists who now are questioning if going back to incinerating is helping at all, since that was what we used to do. We have a giant incinerator facility up north and it smelled pretty bad. Massive smokestacks for burning. Now it sounds like we might have to go back to that.
    You're kidding. My God, we are regressing in so many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You're kidding. My God, we are regressing in so many ways.
    Well we never really think long term. It sounds great to recycle but when we got in bed with China, we knew this could happen and then what? We never had a plan. Same with here when electric cars first came around, we still used coal for most of our electricity. So it wasnt logical. Now here in New England we cant get pipelines built so last winter we had to rely on Russia (yes Russia) to bring in LNG to keep us warm because we shut down all our nuke plants over the last couple years with nothing to replace them. Again we never think long term, way too much knee jerk reaction with no plan.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...n-homes-312866
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well we never really think long term. It sounds great to recycle but when we got in bed with China, we knew this could happen and then what? We never had a plan. Same with here when electric cars first came around, we still used coal for most of our electricity. So it wasnt logical. Now here in New England we cant get pipelines built so last winter we had to rely on Russia (yes Russia) to bring in LNG to keep us warm because we shut down all our nuke plants over the last couple years with nothing to replace them. Again we never think long term, way too much knee jerk reaction with no plan.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...n-homes-312866
    Well, one thing's for sure, we need to get rid of plastics as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Well, one thing's for sure, we need to get rid of plastics as much as possible.
    Oh absolutely. Its just peeves me that we dont stop and think first. Relying on China or someone else is foolish. Secondly, a rush to replace them with something else without investigating it, like we did with BPA, was equally dangerous. Now some speculate we could be looking at oodles of future cancer cases due to that alone. Now we are rushing to put other chemicals on things so they have "plastic like" qualities but can be broken down like garbage. Chemicals are often worse because they go into the groundwater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    At least say "US Americans".. HUMANS as a species have figured it out.. the US is just an ignorant sub-group ignoring it.
    Actually I was seeing buried trash as a raw material resource. I used Humans to give it a futuristic feel.

    I wish whomever discovers our trash no ill will and all the best.

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