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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If Canada, for example, has placed an unfair tariff on some American goods, one that is higher than the ones the US places on Canadian products, then it would seem that the author of the "Art of the Deal" could deal for lower tariffs, rather than impose higher ones.

    Trade wars are good, though. Trump himself said so.
    He's right. And in this case of 2018, I say it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Where/how are you coming up with the notion that Trumpers (like me) don't want to engage in trade AT ALL ? LOL. I've never heard anything so ridiculous. Just because we want to engage in FAIR trade (ex. equal size tariffs), doesn't mean we oppose trading. Good grief man, get a grip.
    Southern Dad, earlier in this thread, said that he wanted EVERYTHING "Made in America". Shrug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    He's right. And in this case of 2018, I say it too.
    Completely ahistorical. Ever hear of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act? Don't they teach ANYTHING in our history classes anymore?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    You flunked that class on the first page of this thread. I'm the teacher here. YOU are the student, and a bad one.
    Funny, funny stuff. You appear to know nothing about tariffs, or how they actually AFFECT an economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Where are you getting these price increases from ? Who said so ?
    You certainly don't read threads very carefully, do you? And you claim to be the teacher?? HA! It is to laugh. This link was originally provided for your reading pleasure in post #208. Quite obviously, you did not read it. It was Professor Anthony Sindone, associated with Purdue University, who provided this information that steel prices have already risen by 30% in anticipation of the tariffs. And, by the way, that information has also been reported in the pages of The Wall Street Journal, which is where I originally became aware of it. You should read that newspaper on a very regular basis, if you really wish to be at all informed.

    As tariffs begin, Northwest Indiana auto workers and farmers share concerns - Post-Tribune

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    Now, Sindone and Micah Pollak, an economics professor at Indiana University Northwest, said they believe the hundreds hired by U.S. Steel, which has mills in Northwest Indiana, will be offset by other jobs that will be lost as a result of the tariffs.

    "I wouldn't be surprised by a net loss of 1,000 jobs caused by the steel tariff alone," Sindone said.

    He said the price of U.S. steel increased as much as 30 percent in anticipation of the tariff, creating higher prices in the building trade and manufacturing sectors that could create job losses in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You certainly don't read threads very carefully, do you? And you claim to be the teacher?? HA! It is to laugh. This link was originally provided for your reading pleasure in post #208. Quite obviously, you did not read it. It was Professor Anthony Sindone, associated with Purdue University, who provided this information that steel prices have already risen by 30% in anticipation of the tariffs. And, by the way, that information has also been reported in the pages of The Wall Street Journal, which is where I originally became aware of it. You should read that newspaper on a very regular basis, if you really wish to be at all informed.

    As tariffs begin, Northwest Indiana auto workers and farmers share concerns - Post-Tribune

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    Now, Sindone and Micah Pollak, an economics professor at Indiana University Northwest, said they believe the hundreds hired by U.S. Steel, which has mills in Northwest Indiana, will be offset by other jobs that will be lost as a result of the tariffs.

    "I wouldn't be surprised by a net loss of 1,000 jobs caused by the steel tariff alone," Sindone said.

    He said the price of U.S. steel increased as much as 30 percent in anticipation of the tariff, creating higher prices in the building trade and manufacturing sectors that could create job losses in those areas.
    Professor Sindone is talking, by the way, about a net loss of 1000 jobs from the tariffs in Indiana ALONE. The net job loss across the entire country from the tariffs will be much larger. And the fact that steel prices have ALREADY surged in anticipation of the tariffs shows that the steel companies are simply profiteering from this policy. It reveals, in stark clarity, that they are a special interest that benefits from the tariffs, at the EXPENSE of the rest of American society. This is what tariffs are ALWAYS about: they benefit one tiny slice of society at the expense of everybody else. Special interest politics, pure and simple. The biggest beneficiaries of the steel tariffs? The steel company CEOs, of course! Who made big campaign contributions to Mr. Trump, by the way. The steel company workers will also be beneficiaries. The biggest LOSERS will be the workers in industries that USE steel, many of whom are already LOSING their jobs, like the workers at the nail company in Missouri discussed in this thread.....But ordinary American consumers will also lose, having to pay higher prices on ANY goods that include steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Tariffs are NOT a quick fix. They are a permanent fix to a 30 year mess-up by 4 idiot past presidents. It's like if you bought a house that 4 previous owners never turned on the circuit breaker for the AC. You flip the switch to on, and voila! > nice cool air (for the first time in 30 years), and then you leave that switch ON. Permanent fix.
    Your first sentence is correct. The rest is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Where are you getting these price increases from ? Who said so ?
    Link is further back in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    If a nation imposes tariffs in such a way (as you describe) to maintain a trade advantage over us, then they will have even greater tariffs imposed on them to reciprocate THAT. If they reciprocate to that, to maintain an advantage, they are then causing a trade war, in which we will eat their lunch.

    We have the largest and (by far) mo$t valuable MARKET in the world. They need us far more than we need them. Dumbest thing ANY country in the world can do is enter into a trade war with the United States.
    or China, or it's neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    The reason simply is to discontinue the advantages over us that past (dumb) presidents have allowed other countries to have. Gee that was tough, huh?

    You want to allow China to tariff our cars going to them at 25% and higher, while their cars coming here get a mere 5% tariff ? I don't.
    I'm aware that's what Trump is saying. He says a lot of other nonsense as well.

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