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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    When you hand-pick a list of countries that you know score better than yours on some measure, and omit all the ones that rank worse, then yeah, your country will be last on that list. Because you set the list up that way.



    Arbitrarily declaring that everywhere on Earth that isn't quite as good as the United States in some respects is therefore a "third world shithole" is profoundly ignorant and inherently xenophobic. I've reminded you of this repeatedly. Yet you keep saying it over and over like it's something new.
    I remember you saying how much better off American workers are than rag pickers in Mali...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    When you hand-pick a list of countries that you know score better than yours on some measure, and omit all the ones that rank worse, then yeah, your country will be last on that list. Because you set the list up that way.



    Arbitrarily declaring that everywhere on Earth that isn't quite as good as the United States in some respects is therefore a "third world shithole" is profoundly ignorant and inherently xenophobic. I've reminded you of this repeatedly. Yet you keep saying it over and over like it's something new.
    From the CIA World Factbook

    Long-term problems for the US include stagnation of wages for lower-income families, inadequate investment in deteriorating infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, energy shortages, and sizable current account and budget deficits.

    The onrush of technology has been a driving factor in the gradual development of a "two-tier" labor market in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. But the globalization of trade, and especially the rise of low-wage producers such as China, has put additional downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on the return to capital. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. Since 1996, dividends and capital gains have grown faster than wages or any other category of after-tax income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    From the CIA World Factbook
    Your citation of the CIA World Factbook did not address anything in the post you quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, labor is relying on the government to bring about more equitable pay, and where is it getting them?
    As the article notes (even though it doesn't support his claims), some people have no job about which to complain about pay.

    You can't always rely on governments.
    Yes we can. We all do. Unions are especially reliant on governments. So is the rest of society. European countries most certainly are reliant on government, which is often a significantly bigger part of their economies than it is in many other countries in the world (not counting dictatorships). If we truly can't rely on government, then we're all screwed, so what's the point?

    Sometimes, you have to have representation that will single mindedly fight for your rights.
    Unions don't fight for "rights," in fact lately they've been fighting against people's rights in order to protect their special financial privileges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Do you think a guaranteed basic income is gonna fly with republicans?
    Probably not but they wont be in charge forever. I just hate giving more money so people become complacent in dead end jobs. Our local BJs warehouse (East Coast competitor to Costco) just is putting in complete automation checkout systems. No humans at all. Actually really peeved me since I had two 5 gallon jugs of water in my cart and only self scan checkouts with no hand wand to scan the bar code. Which meant lifting them up to scan them out. But people seem to really like the complete automation aspect. They actually paid workers quite well, and let many go over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, labor is relying on the government to bring about more equitable pay, and where is it getting them? You can't always rely on governments. Sometimes, you have to have representation that will single mindedly fight for your rights.
    Particularly when the political doner class owns the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    As the article notes (even though it doesn't support his claims), some people have no job about which to complain about pay.



    Yes we can. We all do. Unions are especially reliant on governments. So is the rest of society. European countries most certainly are reliant on government, which is often a significantly bigger part of their economies than it is in many other countries in the world (not counting dictatorships). If we truly can't rely on government, then we're all screwed, so what's the point?



    Unions don't fight for "rights," in fact lately they've been fighting against people's rights in order to protect their special financial privileges.
    Unions are not government entities, and, should they fight against the rights of their members, they can be replaced by a vote.

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    By Eric Levitz

    America’s unemployment rate is hovering near half-century lows. There are now more job openings than unemployed workers in the United States for the first time since the government began tracking that ratio. For America’s working class, macroeconomic conditions don’t get much better than this.

    And yet, most Americans’ wages aren’t getting any better, at all. Over the past 12 months, piddling wage gains — combined with modest inflation — have left the vast majority of our nation’s laborers with lower real hourly earnings than they had in May 2017. On Wall Street, the second-longest expansion in U.S. history has brought boom times — in the coming weeks, S&P 500 companies will dole out a record-high $124.1 billion in quarterly dividends. But on Main Street, returns have been slim.

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    ...a new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) offers a more straightforward — and political — explanation: American policymakers have chosen to design an economic system that leaves workers desperate and disempowered, for the sake of directing a higher share of economic growth to bosses and shareholders.

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    American workers are more likely to be poor (by the standards of their nation). In the United States, nearly 15 percent of workers earn less than half of the median wage. That gives the U.S. a higher “low-income rate” than any other developed nation besides Greece and Spain.

    OECD Study Confirms That U.S. Workers Are Getting Ripped Off
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    Wages don't and won't get better due to immigration. If you want immigration, the low wage earners remain poor. Have one or the other, trying to have both is called Socialism and thus won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Wages don't and won't get better due to immigration. If you want immigration, the low wage earners remain poor. Have one or the other, trying to have both is called Socialism and thus won't work.
    Immigration is socialist?

    Well, I'll be jiggered.

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