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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Wages are negotiated. If the employers says that they will pay $10 per hour for the job and you think you are worth $15 and hour, walk. As long as there aren't a line of people willing to take it for $10 per hour, you might get called back.
    Unless the government gives tax cuts to businesses in the hopes that those cuts will spur business owners to invest in their business and raise wages.

    That was the promise of the Trump tax cuts. The GOP 'hoped' that businesses would use their windfall on employees.

    Hope is not legislation.



    TRUMP’S TAX CUTS DIDN’T BENEFIT U.S. WORKERS, MADE RICH COMPANIES RICHER, ANALYSIS FINDS

    Donald Trump’s corporate tax cuts might not have trickled down to American workers in the way that he suggested they would.

    Trump and Republican leadership have long touted their tax cuts as a massive boon to America’s working class, if not through direct tax reductions or refunds, then through the trickle-down effect of bonuses and wage increases from their employers who receive massive corporate cuts. “Tax reform is working,” Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan said in January, mentioning Apple’s decision to reward a bonus of $2,500 in stock grants to some Apple employees. “Workers are coming home and telling their families they got a bonus, or they got a raise or they got better benefits.”
    Trump?s Tax Cuts Didn?t Benefit U.S. Workers, Made Rich Companies Richer, Analysis Finds

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    The Democrats told the American people The GOP/Trump massive tax give-away was a sham.

    Trump supporters call Democrats every name in the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Immigration is socialist?

    Well, I'll be jiggered.
    I am fairly well stunned to learn that America was a socialist country all through the 19th century, when we had wave after wave of immigrants entering this country. Not what they teach in our history books!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I am fairly well stunned to learn that America was a socialist country all through the 19th century, when we had wave after wave of immigrants entering this country. Not what they teach in our history books!!
    Wasnt that our laissez faire capitalist phase - the opposite of Socialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Unions are not government entities, and, should they fight against the rights of their members, they can be replaced by a vote.
    They've been fighting against the rights of non-members, mainly. Non-members don't vote in union elections of its leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Wasnt that our laissez faire capitalist phase - the opposite of Socialism?
    Well, we were never a FULLY laissez-faire country, contrary to the claims of many, but we certainly had much less government involvement in the economy in the 19th century, that's true. Still, the government DID help to build the Erie Canal, Abraham Lincoln did kick off the massive land-grant college program that led to all those 'state' universities----like Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Colorado State, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State----all those universities, and others----and the U.S. government also helped to build quite a few railroads in the late 19th century. But, no 19th century American President went fully Communist, like that dadburned Eisenhower, with his Interstate Highway system, or John F. Kennedy, with his moon-shot program, shootin' off alla them damfool rockits into outter space!
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    By Eric Levitz

    America’s unemployment rate is hovering near half-century lows. There are now more job openings than unemployed workers in the United States for the first time since the government began tracking that ratio. For America’s working class, macroeconomic conditions don’t get much better than this.

    And yet, most Americans’ wages aren’t getting any better, at all. Over the past 12 months, piddling wage gains — combined with modest inflation — have left the vast majority of our nation’s laborers with lower real hourly earnings than they had in May 2017. On Wall Street, the second-longest expansion in U.S. history has brought boom times — in the coming weeks, S&P 500 companies will dole out a record-high $124.1 billion in quarterly dividends. But on Main Street, returns have been slim.

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    ...a new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) offers a more straightforward — and political — explanation: American policymakers have chosen to design an economic system that leaves workers desperate and disempowered, for the sake of directing a higher share of economic growth to bosses and shareholders.

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    American workers are more likely to be poor (by the standards of their nation). In the United States, nearly 15 percent of workers earn less than half of the median wage. That gives the U.S. a higher “low-income rate” than any other developed nation besides Greece and Spain.

    OECD Study Confirms That U.S. Workers Are Getting Ripped Off
    Ms. Labrea,

    Wow, here's a great idea to solve this. Why don't we import hundreds of thousands simi-skilled, uneducated, simi-literate, dirt poor peons from third world countries to work for substandard wages under the table.

    That will surly increase the wages of that bottom 15%, wot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Labrea,

    Wow, here's a great idea to solve this. Why don't we import hundreds of thousands simi-skilled, uneducated, simi-literate, dirt poor peons from third world countries to work for substandard wages under the table.

    That will surly increase the wages of that bottom 15%, wot?
    Sounds like a conservative, employer of labor kind of plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    They've been fighting against the rights of non-members, mainly. Non-members don't vote in union elections of its leaders.
    um.. non members don't vote. Well, that's so, I'm sure. Do you see something wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    um.. non members don't vote. Well, that's so, I'm sure. Do you see something wrong with that?
    Yes, albeit less so thanks to Janus. What’s still a bit wrong with it is two-fold.

    1) unions can and do still compel their representation on people who might strongly disagree with the union, its stance or agenda, or maybe who want nothing to do with it whatsoever regardless. These people have to either join and pay dues in hopes their voice of dissent is tolerated within the union ranks (fat chance of that), or disassociate themselves as much as they’re allowed to and just have to tolerate the fact that the union still has monopoly bargaining privileges with respect to their job.

    2) There are no routine recertification elections once a union has been voted in. Conducting a recertification election basically requires rogue, independent, grassroots action from within the bargaining unit to navigate a Byzantine gauntlet of hoops and red tape designed to make successfully scheduling a recert election as bureaucratically difficult as humanly possible.

    But long story short, claiming any dissatisfaction with a union can be easily redressed by voting in union elections is pretty disingenuous if you know the actual reality.

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