Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 68
Thanks Tree52Thanks

Thread: New Study Confirms That American Workers Are Getting Ripped Off

  1. #51
    Master political analyst Dittohead not!'s Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    12,671
    Thanks
    6750

    From
    The formerly great golden state
    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Yes, albeit less so thanks to Janus. What’s still a bit wrong with it is two-fold.

    1) unions can and do still compel their representation on people who might strongly disagree with the union, its stance or agenda, or maybe who want nothing to do with it whatsoever regardless. These people have to either join and pay dues in hopes their voice of dissent is tolerated within the union ranks (fat chance of that), or disassociate themselves as much as they’re allowed to and just have to tolerate the fact that the union still has monopoly bargaining privileges with respect to their job.

    2) There are no routine recertification elections once a union has been voted in. Conducting a recertification election basically requires rogue, independent, grassroots action from within the bargaining unit to navigate a Byzantine gauntlet of hoops and red tape designed to make successfully scheduling a recert election as bureaucratically difficult as humanly possible.

    But long story short, claiming any dissatisfaction with a union can be easily redressed by voting in union elections is pretty disingenuous if you know the actual reality.
    and the alternative is to take whatever the benevolent and generous corporation gives you. If you want more, approach with hat in hand and say, "Please, sir, couldn't I have just a little bit more?"

    There is strength in unity.

  2. #52
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    15,319
    Thanks
    4088

    From
    Boise, ID
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and the alternative is to take whatever the benevolent and generous corporation gives you.
    Again with the pretending this is about corporations.

  3. #53
    Master political analyst Dittohead not!'s Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    12,671
    Thanks
    6750

    From
    The formerly great golden state
    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Again with the pretending this is about corporations.
    or other benevolent and generous employer. Why does the worker need any power anyway?

  4. #54
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    13,238
    Thanks
    3252

    From
    California
    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Sounds like a conservative, employer of labor kind of plan.
    Ms. Labrea,

    Liberals are the advocates of open borders.

  5. #55
    Veteran Member Dr Sampson Simpson's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    21,978
    Thanks
    12234

    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    By Eric Levitz

    America’s unemployment rate is hovering near half-century lows. There are now more job openings than unemployed workers in the United States for the first time since the government began tracking that ratio. For America’s working class, macroeconomic conditions don’t get much better than this.

    And yet, most Americans’ wages aren’t getting any better, at all. Over the past 12 months, piddling wage gains — combined with modest inflation — have left the vast majority of our nation’s laborers with lower real hourly earnings than they had in May 2017. On Wall Street, the second-longest expansion in U.S. history has brought boom times — in the coming weeks, S&P 500 companies will dole out a record-high $124.1 billion in quarterly dividends. But on Main Street, returns have been slim.

    snip

    ...a new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) offers a more straightforward — and political — explanation: American policymakers have chosen to design an economic system that leaves workers desperate and disempowered, for the sake of directing a higher share of economic growth to bosses and shareholders.

    snip

    American workers are more likely to be poor (by the standards of their nation). In the United States, nearly 15 percent of workers earn less than half of the median wage. That gives the U.S. a higher “low-income rate” than any other developed nation besides Greece and Spain.

    OECD Study Confirms That U.S. Workers Are Getting Ripped Off
    Not sure they even need a study for that, its so obvious just by looking at where all the wealth is, where all the wealth gains are going, with the SCOTUS not protecting the people but pro corporation and will only get worse, with republicans giving away trillions to ultra rich people, to the insane poverty rates and how many people are a lost paycheck away from being homeless.

    But cue the right wing zombies who will come spouting bullshit about how that isn't happening and make excuses

  6. #56
    Veteran Member Dr Sampson Simpson's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    21,978
    Thanks
    12234

    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    lol I know. A decent chemist can get a 30K bonus right out of college currently. A rhetoric major? Not so much. My daughters prof told them, "get a decent degree, you get a decent wage and a signing bonus, get a liberal arts degree and you get a job at Target." Certainly set a lot of kids straight thats for sure.
    You think 30K is a good wage for a chemist? That sounds like poverty wages to me

  7. #57
    Veteran Member Dr Sampson Simpson's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    21,978
    Thanks
    12234

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I give this a D+ for objectivity. Where to start?

    1) The title is pathetic clickbait. Being "ripped off" means being cheated or swindled. There is nothing in the article that indicates workers are being "cheated" or "swindled."

    2) What the article then alleges is that the OECD gives a political explanation for the data, but then immediately admits othewrise that the OECD did not actually say this... "explicitly," but rather the author the basically interprets the data this way by drawing their own comparisons, assumptions and conclusions. This is how intellectual weaklings try to steal credibility from other sources. They claim that a more objective source of information makes a claim that it didn't make. "Credible and objective source says American politicians screw the little guy!" And the footnote: "Just kidding, the source didn't say that, but that's what I think, how can it be anything different?!"

    3) The United States has never in recent history, or probably ever, closely resembled western Europe. OECD comparisons are convenient for people who want to bash us over the head with reminders about how much worse this country is than western European ones, but OECD country comparisons are not inherently objective. Three-fourths of the world's population lives in countries that are not OECD countries. Size and population have to matter for something. 72% of OECD countries have populations smaller than the state of California. 41% of OECD countries have populations smaller than New York City. The entire European Union is only 1.6x larger than just the United States by itself, and only 1.1x larger than the US+Canada+Mexico.

    If you want to compare the United States to something, why not just compare it to the entire EU? Or compare the entire EU to North America? Why put the U.S. on a list with countries like Iceland, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Estonia, Lithuania, and Denmark? Oh, right, because it's a more useful political tool to put the United States on a chart where it's already a glaring natural outlier... in order to make the argument that the United States is an outlier.

    This "new" study doesn't show "workers are being ripped off," and in fact it doesn't really show anything at all that we don't already know, which is that the U.S. is not quite like small European countries. I realize the American left will never shut up about this. But there's nothing new about it. We get it. The U.S. is not like small European countries. Or the EU as a whole, in a lot of ways.

    Also potentially noteworthy? Eric Levitz is a raging unionist. So pro-union that he attacks Democrats for not being nice enough to them.
    The paid propagandist is at it. how many forums do you spread your shit on?

    All the wealth is going to the top few percentage. To the CEOs, shareholders. Workers are struggling to get by. How the hell is that not the middle class getting screwed?
    Last edited by Dr Sampson Simpson; 11th July 2018 at 09:33 AM.

  8. #58
    Veteran Member bajisima's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    46,121
    Thanks
    28162

    From
    New Hampshire
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    You think 30K is a good wage for a chemist? That sounds like poverty wages to me
    No thats a signing bonus.

  9. #59
    Master political analyst Dittohead not!'s Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    12,671
    Thanks
    6750

    From
    The formerly great golden state
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Labrea,

    Liberals are the advocates of open borders.
    at least that's what Trump and his minions like to say.

    But, then, they spout a lot of other nonsense as well.

  10. #60
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    13,238
    Thanks
    3252

    From
    California
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    at least that's what Trump and his minions like to say.

    But, then, they spout a lot of other nonsense as well.
    Mr. Not,

    Trump and his minions are not the ones protesting outside of ICE headquarters. Trump and his minions did not declare California to be a sanctuary state.

    Sorry to ruin your premise with facts.

Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 29th January 2016, 05:46 AM
  2. Replies: 202
    Last Post: 6th December 2013, 05:06 PM
  3. US Confirms Four American Citizens Killed By Drones
    By johnmarson in forum World Politics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 7th June 2013, 12:01 AM
  4. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 5th June 2013, 05:07 PM
  5. Replies: 13
    Last Post: 14th November 2008, 08:40 AM

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed