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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    "Underemployment" comprehends a couple of different things. I was referring specifically to people who work less than full-time, and in this context at lower wages. Jobs that are in the lower range to begin with are more plentiful than those that pay better that require skill/education/training, so one in that range could avoid that form of underemployment by having multiple jobs. But for someone in my position to be underemployed (which I consider myself to be - never enough clients) is a considerably different deal than someone working part-time in fast food.
    I'm sure your type of "underemployment" has other factors which are more important than just money - and I understand that. there's much to be said for such benefits. been there - done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    I'm sure your type of "underemployment" has other factors which are more important than just money - and I understand that.
    Well, sure ... there are always pros and cons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    "Underemployment" comprehends a couple of different things. I was referring specifically to people who work less than full-time, and in this context at lower wages. Jobs that are in the lower range to begin with are more plentiful than those that pay better that require skill/education/training, so one in that range could avoid that form of underemployment by having multiple jobs. But for someone in my position to be underemployed (which I consider myself to be - never enough clients) is a considerably different deal than someone working part-time in fast food.
    My point is that a lot of people are underemployed because there simply aren't enough good paying jobs to go around. A basic wage could replace a lot of government programs and give a boost to the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, sure ... there are always pros and cons.
    correct. your post reminded me of a doctor I met when we lived in Southern Mexico. first class physician, spoke 5 or 6 languages fluently and held the care of his patients above all else - especially money. he was a Swiss national. barely made a middle class wage where he was. I spoke with him about moving to the U.S. to open a practice. his reply was simple. no, I will not move there regardless of how much money I could make because the rules there do not allow me to place patient care above everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    correct. your post reminded me of a doctor I met when we lived in Southern Mexico. first class physician, spoke 5 or 6 languages fluently and held the care of his patients above all else - especially money. he was a Swiss national. barely made a middle class wage where he was. I spoke with him about moving to the U.S. to open a practice. his reply was simple. no, I will not move there regardless of how much money I could make because the rules there do not allow me to place patient care above everything else.
    How true!

    My Doctor suddenly quit,so did her partner in the office for family reasons. My feeling was that both of them just became fed up fighting the Insurance companies to get paid.

    Quite a few Doctors in my area quit at the same time. I was lucky to find a great young one. Went through Care Finders. Had a new one 15 minutes after contacting them after a week or so on my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    The growth of the US working age population has been outstripping job growth for years. Actually we need to slow population growth. Technology and automation are reducing the need for workers in the future.
    (1) Only a week or two ago, I saw Arkady utterly annihilate your first claim, and yet here you are, repeating this hoary old falsehood yet again. You're utterly shameless.

    (2) The working age population in the United States is hardly going to grow AT ALL during the 2020's, which is precisely why Donald Trump's claims that he is going to be able to get the economy to grow at rates of 4% or even 6% are simply ridiculous. This is especially true since we have become so anti-immigration as a country. So tell us again why we would need to slow population growth? As a WORLD, yes. But as a country? Why?

    (3) Unemployment was just recently at 3.8%, the lowest reading since 1999. If technology and automation are going to cause mass unemployment, which has certainly been a widespread fear, that certainly doesn't seem to be happening yet. We are actually getting reports of labor SHORTAGES from all over the country. And, in particular, reports of shortages of SKILLED labor. What we will need in the future are more highly-SKILLED workers. Which means that America needs to FIX our stupidly awful education system, especially at the K-12 level, where we have been churning out millions upon millions of math dopes and science illiterates for decades now, and then wondering why they can't find good jobs.

    (4) For the most part, robots will not REPLACE human workers, but COMPLEMENT them. After all, why should robots be any different in that regard from computers? Computers have made human workers more productive. Robots will do the same. The higher-paying jobs of the future will be for people who are comfortable and skilled at working WITH robots, just as they are today for people who are comfortable and skilled at working with computers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Which is why we should be welcoming immigrants and refugees. Especially refugees from the ME since their populations are much younger.
    I would think it would generally be easier to assimilate immigrants from Latin America, since they do share the predominant religion in America; but we're gonna build a Great Big Wall to stop them from coming into the country, for some mysterious reason.


    Having said that, I have nothing against refugees from the Middle East, having known some of them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    ... America needs to FIX our stupidly awful education system, especially at the K-12 level, where we have been churning out millions upon millions of math dopes and science illiterates for decades now, and then wondering why they can't find good jobs.
    This one is an example of some people having claimed for decades that public education was broken, and they kept breaking it until other people started noticing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    (1) Only a week or two ago, I saw Arkady utterly annihilate your first claim, and yet here you are, repeating this hoary old falsehood yet again. You're utterly shameless.
    You should go back an read that thread again. She validated that fact. The number of working age people in the US increased by more than the number of jobs created in the last ten year.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    (2) The working age population in the United States is hardly going to grow AT ALL during the 2020's, which is precisely why Donald Trump's claims that he is going to be able to get the economy to grow at rates of 4% or even 6% are simply ridiculous. This is especially true since we have become so anti-immigration as a country. So tell us again why we would need to slow population growth? As a WORLD, yes. But as a country? Why?
    The only responsible thing that we could do would be to slow population growth, do our part to slow WORLD population growth. It is the economically responsible thing to do from an economic perspective since we will need fewer workers. It is also environmentally the responsible thing to do. Population is the major driver of mankind's negative affect on the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    (3) Unemployment was just recently at 3.8%, the lowest reading since 1999. If technology and automation are going to cause mass unemployment, which has certainly been a widespread fear, that certainly doesn't seem to be happening yet. We are actually getting reports of labor SHORTAGES from all over the country. And, in particular, reports of shortages of SKILLED labor. What we will need in the future are more highly-SKILLED workers. Which means that America needs to FIX our stupidly awful education system, especially at the K-12 level, where we have been churning out millions upon millions of math dopes and science illiterates for decades now, and then wondering why they can't find good jobs.
    We do need to fix our education system. No child left behind destroyed it. There is no shortage of skilled labor, just a shortage of employers willing to pay what those skills are worth. There is also a shortage of employers willing to train employees.

    The unemployment rate just went up after a healthy jobs report. It went up because 600,000 who had given up finding a good job in the Obamaconomy. We have plenty of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    (4) For the most part, robots will not REPLACE human workers, but COMPLEMENT them. After all, why should robots be any different in that regard from computers? Computers have made human workers more productive. Robots will do the same. The higher-paying jobs of the future will be for people who are comfortable and skilled at working WITH robots, just as they are today for people who are comfortable and skilled at working with computers.
    Increases in productivity reduces the need for human labor.

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