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    Interesting discussion. Personally, I'd favor non-motorized transportation being pushed. However, the devil is in the details. If we were to spend a ton of money making bike lanes and what not, we'd need to make sure we got return for those dollars (or utility of the surfaces).

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    Interesting discussion. Personally, I'd favor non-motorized transportation being pushed. However, the devil is in the details. If we were to spend a ton of money making bike lanes and what not, we'd need to make sure we got return for those dollars (or utility of the surfaces).

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    Just think of the money one can save on the infrastructure, push mountain bikes and save more.

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    I'm waiting to see groceries being delivered to the local supermarket by rickshaws. Not only could help the environment but would get us full employment, too. I rode my bicycle to and from work for years and rode it some at work, I was a police officer, but that was back when it was a pleasant and convenient way to get around and not some sort of religious conversion.

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    [quote name='patrickt' date='26 March 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1269641627' post='133556']

    I'm waiting to see groceries being delivered to the local supermarket by rickshaws. Not only could help the environment but would get us full employment, too. I rode my bicycle to and from work for years and rode it some at work, I was a police officer, but that was back when it was a pleasant and convenient way to get around and not some sort of religious conversion.

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    Hey I'm going to be up front, I live in a Big City in the scheme of things (Bostons not SO big, but its big enough) and its not that I want to be more important than a car, I'd just like to be see as an equal. Cars on the road couldn't give a hot rat shit if you're there, not there, if they hit you, if their rear bumper clips you and drags you a half mile.



    After years of being a second class citizen, I'm kind of hoping they drag most of the taxi drivers and bus drivers from their vehicles and break their knees.

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    Living in the west, unless your in a big city, which I have a flat out phobia of, you must have a car. I agree that drivers need to follow the rules of the road, and give equal respect to pedestrians and cyclist, but to exchange a car for a bicycle, well thats just impracticable.

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    [quote name='michaelr' date='26 March 2010 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1269642405' post='133564']

    Living in the west, unless your in a big city, which I have a flat out phobia of, you must have a car. I agree that drivers need to follow the rules of the road, and give equal respect to pedestrians and cyclist, but to exchange a car for a bicycle, well thats just impracticable.

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    Understood. But what I took was that cyclists would be taken into account. Urban centers are economically more efficient for quite a few people. I think taking them into account isn't such a bad thing.

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    Understood. But what I took was that cyclists would be taken into account. Urban centers are economically more efficient for quite a few people. I think taking them into account isn't such a bad thing.

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    I think it is a good thing. In my little town, were getting a new main street. It will have four lanes, one with a bike lane, then wide walkways.

    page 56 of this PDF if your interested...

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    I think such a goal may have noble intentions. Cycling is healthier than driving, both for the environment, and for the riders themselves.



    That said, I don't think this is something the federal government should be involved in. If localities want to invest in this, more power to them. But the White House should not be dictating local transportation policy like this.



    Personally I enjoy cycling in quiet or rural open areas where you can just relax and take in fresh air. Having to navigate urban streets as a form of commuting every day is not something I think I could put up with.

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    [quote name='Defensor' date='26 March 2010 - 08:39 PM' timestamp='1269650340' post='133592']

    I think such a goal may have noble intentions. Cycling is healthier than driving, both for the environment, and for the riders themselves.



    That said, I don't think this is something the federal government should be involved in. If localities want to invest in this, more power to them. But the White House should not be dictating local transportation policy like this.



    Personally I enjoy cycling in quiet or rural open areas where you can just relax and take in fresh air. Having to navigate urban streets as a form of commuting every day is not something I think I could put up with.

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    right but this isn't a matter of where we'd like to take a long ride, this is giving options to those who live in a larger metro area where 50k a year is piss money.



    I don't think its anything they are keeping tabs on, but I think it is going to determine federal funding for larger cities. I don't think they want Montana to have bike lanes.

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    Chad: "Hey I'm going to be up front, I live in a Big City in the scheme of things (Bostons not SO big, but its big enough) and its not that I want to be more important than a car, I'd just like to be see as an equal. Cars on the road couldn't give a hot rat shit if you're there, not there, if they hit you, if their rear bumper clips you and drags you a half mile. After years of being a second class citizen, I'm kind of hoping they drag most of the taxi drivers and bus drivers from their vehicles and break their knees."



    I know the feeling. I've always wanted to be the equal of Michael Jordan, too. A ten-pound bicycle and a 1,000-pound car will never be equal in a collision. I get really tired of people riding four abreast on bicycles on a country road, running red lights, coming the wrong way down a one-way street, and riding at 15mph on a downtown sidewalk.



    Personally, I support building bike paths and bike lanes and then making sure people use it. Of course, it's tough to influence people who are on a crusade.

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