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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    College kids are not known for financial savvy and wisdom. Whether tuition is free or astronomically expensive, public colleges should not admit students to majors where jobs do not exist or are scarce.
    That would be VERY tricky... Check out this article:

    College Majors With the Highest Post-Grad Unemployment

    Philosophy - No surprise here. It's ironic that I don't know what Philosophy majors are thinking.
    Leisure and Hospitality - Not a sufficiently unique skillset.
    Economics - Unexpected, given the number of jobs that relate directly to finance.
    Biology - Surprised?
    Chemical Engineering - Even more surprised?
    Communications - Trivia - My bachelor's degree was in Technical Communications.
    Nutrition Sciences - Yeah, this one sounds like bullshit. Go into medicine, or don't.
    Criminal Justice - Not sure how this major would be applied. Again, go into law, or don't.
    Foreign Language - Yeah, the U.N. doesn't need that many translators.
    ...
    Further down on the same list, we find Industrial Engineering, Physics, Medical Technicians, and Information Systems / Management.

    As you can see, there are several majors here that result in higher unemployment and underemployment. So by your test, we shouldn't fund tuition for Biology or Industrial Engineering majors. Was that your intent?
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    Don't get me wrong, I have a Liberal Arts degree but I also got one when it was actually looked at as an accomplishment. Now employer's
    don't even bat an eye if you have a Master's degree. In my younger days (especially for a women) high school was the end of the line. Now it's like well of course you have a 4 year degree but so does everybody else,so what? Trust me over the last 30 years business has changed and unless you are a professional (MD LAWYER PHD C.A, PENG) you wont get anywhere in terms of earning power. Either that or learn a trade (mechanic, electrician, plumber, master carpenter, medical technician) to make a good living..
    I got my liberal arts degree thirty years ago, and what you're saying now is what people said then. You don't sell your degree. You sell the skills your degree helped you acquire. What you're asserting here simply isn't true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    College kids are not known for financial savvy and wisdom. Whether tuition is free or astronomically expensive, public colleges should not admit students to majors where jobs do not exist or are scarce.
    Colleges should not try to predict what jobs will be available in the near or distant future, since everything we know suggests we simply can't do that. Our predictions are nearly always wrong. Most of the jobs that will exist in 20 years haven't even been thought of yet. Most of the jobs that exist today won't exist in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I got my liberal arts degree thirty years ago, and what you're saying now is what people said then. You don't sell your degree. You sell the skills your degree helped you acquire. What you're asserting here simply isn't true.
    Actually Rasselas I was a labour market analyst for years in one of many, many jobs. I had to review and approve plans that would help people get back to work when they could no longer do what they were physically, mentally trained for originally or the job simply disappeared from the labour market. Part of my job meant pouring over data of graduates and eventual salaries 1, 3, 5, and 10 years after retraining and give advise on salary expectations. I have been out of the game now but I have steared a few kids since then who were completely confused about their future and wanted some advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Actually Rasselas I was a labour market analyst for years in one of many, many jobs. I had to review and approve plans that would help people get back to work when they could no longer do what they were physically, mentally trained for originally or the job simply disappeared from the labour market. Part of my job meant pouring over data of graduates and eventual salaries 1, 3, 5, and 10 years after retraining and give advise on salary expectations. I have been out of the game now but I have steared a few kids since then who were completely confused about their future and wanted some advice.
    And it makes perfect sense to give to able bodied young adults with 40 years of working life ahead of them the same advice that you would give someone whose been devastated by a tragedy in mid career. Yes, that makes perfect sense. They are exactly the same.

    The fact is that it takes years for someone to see their career path play out, and most of the success or lack of success someone meets with comes from them as an individual, not their degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    College kids are not known for financial savvy and wisdom. Whether tuition is free or astronomically expensive, public colleges should not admit students to majors where jobs do not exist or are scarce.
    I disagree. If a student wishes to spend 4 years studying historical methods of Tahitian basket weaving, that is their right.

    What our western society has to do is educate our children into knowing that a college degree doesn't guarantee weekends in Paris or Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Women used to get an education even though they had no plans to need it for a career.
    For fear of going off topic, and perhaps in this day and age dating myself, my sociology prof argued that it was more important for women to get a good education than men because they were the primary influence on their children. I'm not sure if that last part still pertains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And it makes perfect sense to give to able bodied young adults with 40 years of working life ahead of them the same advice that you would give someone whose been devastated by a tragedy in mid career. Yes, that makes perfect sense. They are exactly the same.

    The fact is that it takes years for someone to see their career path play out, and most of the success or lack of success someone meets with comes from them as an individual, not their degree.
    The advise I gave for career direction was based on personal characteristics like age, aptitude, mental and physical limitations,
    and most important motivation. Of course the advise to a 50 year old would be different than a 30 year old. You seem to think that the necessity to be retrained happens more often with the older worker. Everyone is prone to injury, desease and a casualty of economic times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    The advise I gave for career direction was based on personal characteristics like age, aptitude, mental and physical limitations,
    and most important motivation. Of course the advise to a 50 year old would be different than a 30 year old. You seem to think that the necessity to be retrained happens more often with the older worker. Everyone is prone to injury, desease and a casualty of economic times.
    No, I assume that someone in a traditional college situation is going to be fundamentally different from someone who gets injured after having already started a career, no matter their age. Someone even marginally older than that is going to have other issues, like an inability to go long without income, family to support, etc. That means they have higher levels of risk and lower levels of freedom to do what they want with their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Not if taxpayers are funding it. If the public is paying, then they deserve a return on their investment. If someone wants to get a degree in something stupid like gender studies or 18th century literature, let them do it on their own dime.
    The return on investment is that they live in a country with educated people. There's really no way to predict what an education in some field will lead to later, and most people don't end up using their degree in their career anyway. There are millions of successful college educated salesmen and no college I know if has a degree in salesmanship.
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